Don't be confused by the "Common Standard" on the title block of C&S motive
power drawings...they don't refer to Harriman designs, but
rather to C&S/FW&D designs (I think). At least one class of C&S 2-8-0 is a
dead ringer for a AT&SF loco, although I don't think is the
same one that PFM imported by the thouseands in brass from Japan.
Charlie Vlk
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From: <jonathanharris@earthlink.net>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: C&S Oil Burners
>
> Thanks, Bob, for this very useful information. Regrarding the Spectrum
> engine, it's about what I feared.
>
> I was a little confused by your remarks on the Harriman 2-8-0. Couldn't
> tell from your sentence whether this is the same as PFM's Santa Fe engine
> or a different model. If the latter, who made it? I believe there have
been
> Harriman engines produced by various companies, from MDC-Roundhouse at the
> low end to a number of brass importers, but it's never occurred to me to
> get one so I haven't kept track.
>
> Like you, I am disappointed, and frankly a little surprised, that no
> importer has ever done a C&S 2-8-0 (standard gauge, that is). Yes, in one
> sense it's a somewhat obscure prototype, but these were some of the last
> steam engines operating on a Class I railroad anywhere in the US, in both
> freight and fan-trip service, and as such they were seen, photographed,
and
> loved by thousands. But that was over 40 years ago now, so at this point I
> guess that window has pretty much closed (sigh).
>
> Jonathan
>
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> >I don't own one, but believe the Spectrum 2-8-0s have about 60" drivers,
a
> >bit large for the C&S, and more suited to those with 63" prototypes, such
as
> >the Rock Island, Mopac, Maine Central, etc.. In N scale, the Bachmann
> >drivers scale out about right, due to the wheels being smaller in
diameter.
> >
> >I think the best chassis to begin a B4R1 (644-648) might be the old Santa
Fe
> >1950 class 2-8-0, imported by PFM. It has the proper 13-spoke, 57"
drivers.
> >The Harriman 2-8-0s also have the right drivers and wheel spacing, but
have
> >Stephenson valve gear. The B4R class have 15-spoke drivers and I'm not
sure
> >of a source for these, but happily there are two remaining examples to
> >measure, plus the FW&D 304 in Texas (built to the same plans originally).
> >These are all narrow firebox engines.
> >
> >The 500s were wide firebox locomotives, and I think one of the Santa Fe
> >2-8-0s of the 870 class might be rebuilt into one of these.
> >
> >Much easier if some importer could be persuaded to have them built. One
did
> >show a photo of a B4R1 some years ago (labeled as a "CB&Q" 2-8-0), but I
> >don't think any were ever built.
> >
> >Given a choice, I'd probably model the 1957-59 (silver smokebox) era,
which
> >I remember.
> >
> >Bob Yarger, Editor
> >Railway Preservation News (free website)
> >www.rypn.org
> >
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