You could always run the GM&O as a detour train
sjh
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From: "cbq_k_line" <cbq_k_line@yahoo.com>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:48 PM
Subject: [CBQ] Re: K-Line question
> Shoot, I was wanting to have a layout with both GM&O and CB&Q, with
> the CB&Q having Zephyr service on whatever line that would go thru a
> town served by both the CB&Q and GM&O. I guess I'll have to do some
> proto-lancing...
>
>
>
> --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hirt <whirt@a...> wrote:
> > atsf3460@a... wrote:
> > > Good question! It would seem to make sense that GM&O would use
> the CB&Q from
> > > Mexico, MO down to St. Louis since CB&Q ran from Mexico to
> Kansas City, MO.
> > > As far as I know this wasn't the case. GM&O used their own line
> from St.
> > > Louis to Roodhouse and then west to get to Mexico, MO.
> > >
> > > There is some thought possibly also that at one point the Santa
> Fe may have
> > > wanted to use these lines to get into St. Louis. I think I've
> read or heard
> > > this before and if anybody else knows more about this I'd love
> to hear it
> > > (contact directly if you feel it's straying too far off topic).
> > >
> >
> > In 1940, when the GM&O was merged from the Gulf Mobile & Northern
> and
> > Mobile & Ohio, the Q held 30% of the GM&N stock. Ralph Budd was
> the Q's
> > representative on the GM&N board and he opposed the combination of
> the
> > GM&N and M&O. The M&O gave the GM&N an outlet to St Louis which
> allowed
> > them to bypass the Paducah connection the Q had just built 25
> years
> > before. Also at the same time, the Q was running joint passenger
> service
> > with the Alton from St Louis to Kansas City. Zephyr service was
> provided
> > by the Ozark State Zephyr (originally powered by 9908 Silver
> Charger)
> > and a heavyweight overnight train called the Night Hawk. Also the
> Q on
> > and off over the years had teamed up with the Alton to run freight
> > service from St Louis to Kansas City.
> >
> > Fast forward to 1946. The Alton had continued it's long streak of
> losing
> > money and the B&O, who had bought the Alton in 20's, allowed the
> > railroad to file for reorganization as the B&O was starting to
> have it's
> > own problems. The Alton would provide an outlet for the GM&O to
> Chicago,
> > but the east-west line from Roodhouse to Kansas City did not fit
> the
> > projected GM&O traffic pattern. The Q had long realized that it's
> route
> > to Kansas City from Chicago needed improvement (in terms of route
> > mileage). The Santa Fe had also long desired to reach St Louis.
> Hence a
> > deal was cut. The Q and Santa Fe would support GM&O's merger
> > application. In return, the GM&O would sell the Alton's Missouri
> line to
> > the Q. The Q would share the purchased line with the Santa Fe
> promising
> > improvements and upgrades in service. In return, the Q would get
> > trackage rights on the Santa Fe from Bucklin to Kansas City (what
> BN and
> > ATSF did once they merged) and shorten the Q's route from Chicago
> to
> > Kansas City.
> >
> > The St Louis-based railroads howled as many were still in
> bankruptcy
> > reorganization from the 30's (I think the MoP stayed in
> reorganization
> > into the mid 50s due to it's complicated corporate and subsidiary
> > structure). The last thing the St Louis-based railroads wanted
> > (especially the Frisco and MoP) was the Santa Fe coming into their
> > backyard in St Louis. In a close decision by the ICC, the ICC
> approved
> > the GM&O buying the Alton, but rejected the sale of the Missouri
> line to
> > the Q and joint Q/Santa Fe operation. With the ICC rejection, the
> Q
> > discontinued it's joint passenger operations with the Alton by
> 1948. The
> > Q negotiated an agreement with the GM&O to use their line from
> Francis
> > to Rock Creek Jct near Kansas City with CB&Q crews. This agreement
> > continued until early into the BN era. This also resulted in the Q
> > proceeding to build the 78 mile Kansas City shortcut which opened
> in 1951.
> >
> > Bill
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