Gents
89557 was listed in ORER's between 1939 and 1943 with a length of 41' 7" and
9' 1" width, the same as the standard FM-10 measurements after the 1935
remeasuring change. As it continued to carry a Burlington road number, I
presumed it was in assigned service to Thiessen. The two pickle tanks came
from XM-12 box cars, according to a diagram book data page. This page shows
amendment dates of 5/45 and 4/54, suggesting that it may have survived
beyond 1950. The entry on the page has obviously been amended from the
original FM-10 entry relating to 91 cars in the class, which was the total
in 1930.
My copy of the 1935 ORER pages is unreadable as regards the number of cars,
but there were 25 FM-10's remaining in 1936. (I share your comments about
accuracy - or lack thereof - in the ORER data!)
The next question has to be about the XM-12's and the tanks. 101417-101516
were built in 1907 by SSC and were all off the roster by the beginning of
1928. How many had tanks, when were they fitted, how big were they and how
long did the tanks last? If the XM-12 were gone by 1928 and the Thiessen
car was built in about 1932, where were the tanks stored between the demise
of the XM-12's and creation of the Thiessen Special? The Bulletin notes that
Thiessen was using the XM-12's, and the company would have wanted
continuity. Would this suggest that the Special was created earlier, or was
there an interim solution?
Regards
Rupert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Adams" <steamera@netins.net>
To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] FM-10 flat cars
> Hello Rupert;
>
> Actually, the FM-10's had fish belly center sills, and a unique straight
> steel side sill that incorporated a truss rod. There was also
> apparently another truss-rod on each side between the center sill and
> the side. I concur that the construction was an anachronism in 1925.
> There is a pretty decent photo of 89557 in use as a Thiessen cucumber
> transport, complete with four wooden tubs mounted on its deck. The
> photo appears on p.25 of BB #28. The photo caption indicates that "in
> the early 1930s, FM-10 flat car 89557 was modified at West Burlington,
> equipped with the tubs from two box cars" and that "the one-of-a-kind
> car lasted until about 1950".
>
> Do you ever see a CB&Q entry for a lone tank car or a single flat car
> with different dimensions that might correspond to this car?
>
> I don't find an entry for Thiessen in my 1937 ORER, so it would appear
> that something is wrong, at least with the dates.
>
> I am also puzzled by the complete disappearance of the cars by 1937,
> though they were of only 80,000 pound capacity, probably inadequate for
> many potential loads, and of a less robust design than even the much
> earlier FM-7 cars.
>
> What quantity remains in 1935 and 36? I see 74 on the roster in 1934,
> none in May, 1937.
>
> Perhaps the decreased platform length was due to some sort of end
> bulkheads or other retaining equipment being installed. Can any of our
> other members shed light on this?
>
> And...We must, of course, keep in mind that the ORERs are not without
> errors, and once an errant notation made its way into print, it could
> stay there for many years without being corrected. The quantities are
> generally good, but dimensional discrepancies are not uncommon.
>
> I'm betting some of the FM-10s ended up in company service, and would
> love to hear from anyone who might have a photo of a car assigned to
> MOW. As a steam-era modeler, I think it would be a neat car to have a
> model of.
>
> Kind regards, Rob Adams
>
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> Rupert and Maureen wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know anything about the FM-10 flat cars numbered 89500-8959?
> >
> >They are listed as having been built at Aurora in 1925, and the first
ORER reference I've found is April 1927 (does anyone have a 1926 ORER?)
> >
> >A couple of strange things about them. They had fish-belly side sills
but also had truss rods! Isn't 1925 a bit late to be using truss rods
rather than steel underframes.
> >
> >The next unusual item is that they had disappeared from the roster by
1937, a very short life cycle for a flat car. The FM-7's built in 1907
lasted until 1947, and the FM-11's built in 1928 lasted through till 1970.
> >
> >Were these perhaps rebuilds of cars built at the beginning of the
century? The FM-9's were created from stock cars, so there was a precedent
for such a conversion.
> >
> >One other odd fact is their size. In 1934, they were 41' 6 3/4" long and
9' 1 1/2" wide. In 1935 (when fractions of an inch disappeared from the
ORER's and the length increased as it was now measured over deadwoods rather
than end sills) the dimensions reduced to 38' 8" platform length, 40' 10"
over deadwoods and 8' 11" wide.
> >
> >Any information or suggestions would be gratefully received.
> >
> >Rupert
> >
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