Marshall
The "31" had to be signed for.
Lenny
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From: "marshall" <zephyr03@s...>
To: <BRHSlist@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [BRHSlist] Signals and Stuff
> vlbg wrote:
> >
> > The Cameron Family wrote:
> > >
> > > This is the kind of detail that's especially helpful for us modellers
> > > who have no personal experience of train operations. Can anyone
comment
> > > on the kind of signalling and train control in use on the K-line
between
> > > Burlington and St. Louis at different times? According to my 1963
> > > timetable there were parts of that stretch under Centralized Traffic
> > > Control. Other parts (including Keokuk, which I'm most interested in)
> > > were Manual Block System. Can anyone tell us a bit about what those
> > > terms mean and how they were applied operationally? A note in the
> > > timetable also says "No train order signal at Keokuk" -- can anyone
tell
> > > me what that would mean as well? Thanks.
> > > Duncan Cameron
> > >
> > Duncan:
> >
> > I do not know much about the K-Line but your last question is easy.
> >
> > CB&Q Rule 221 states:
> >
> > "A fixed signal must be used at each train order office except
> > as otherwise indicated by timetable."
> >
> > That is the first sentence in a rather long rule that covers what
> > requirements govern the Operator and Train Crews with regard to
> > train order signals. Does it also say that "All trains must receive
> > Clearance Form A"? If it does, then by simple logic there is no
> > reason to have a train order signal.
> >
> Duncan -
>
> To elaborate: A "train order signal", by definition, is a signaling
> device affixed to, or associated with, a station issuing train orders.
>
> In the old days, it was often a two-sided semaphore (usually the
> opposite of the block signals on the main line - i.e. lower quadrant
> versus upper quadrant) or somthing like a switchstand (usually used on
> the Q), which indicated that the oncoming train must stop and receive a
> dispatcher order (I forget whether it was the 19 or the 31 order which
> had to be signed for - the other could be taken "on the fly".)
>
> In later years, it could have been a pair of non-block searchlight
> signals, which was the case at the train-order station in Mt. Pleasant,
> IA when I lived there in the 50's.
>
> If you have Corbin's "Across Iowa on the K&W and H&S", you will note
> that the photograph of Keokuk "Union Station" has no such signal.
>
> I'm not sure about Keokuk, but I was told that Shopton (Ft. Madison) on
> the AT&SF was a non-train-order-signal station, because all trains,
> freight or passenger, had a mandatory stop to check for orders. It may
> have been the same for Keokuk on the Q.
>
> Marshall
>
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