Leo & Bill,
Thank you. this is a lot of great info in my quest of learning more about the
CB&Q and the suburban area.
Doug Ramsay
> On 10/09/2022 1:18 PM William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Doug,
>
> Hines Lumber, definitely, mostly box cars and bulkhead flat cars carrying
> lumber and other building products. The Hines Lumber facility included a
> large building with a rounded roof. In the ‘60s, cars were usually spotted on
> the east end of the building. From the east end, the switcher locomotive was
> usually placed on the east end of the cars to be spotted. Then they would
> move down the grade to street level and make a reverse movement west up a
> slight incline into the Hines lead. Cars were also spotted on one or both of
> the street level stub tracks that were located approximately between Seeley
> Ave. and Montgomery Ave. These were used as house tracks so that local
> businesses could receive carload shipments and unload them at that point.
> During the mid ‘50s, those tracks were used to supply material for East -
> West or Eisenhower tollway. For a period of time, these was a cement facility
> set up there.
>
> As for the track south of the oil storage facilities, as I said in my earlier
> reply, to the best of my knowledge, no rail delivery of oil products was made
> there during the late ‘50s and ‘60s. A car may have occasionally been spotted
> there, but I don’t think it was for the oil company. In my time, the track
> was fairly overgrown with weeds. I do recall a day when the East End NW2
> switcher derailed on the switch for the stub track. It was enlightening to
> watch the crew and track people rerail the locomotive with wood blocks. In my
> experience, the East End way freight used the former DG commuter yard for a
> staging location. They also used the trackage between between Forest and Main
> Street on the south side of the main line for staging. Depending on your time
> frame, they switched cars into Lord Lumber Co. on the southwest side of
> Forest Ave, and the Q Main Line. There was a track that went from the
> turntable area (where the microwave tower is now) behind Zolingers and the
> Dicke Tool Co. all the way to Forest Ave. Occasionally, a car was set off
> along that track for the Lord Lumber coal yard, when people still had coal
> furnaces, as my parents did until 1977. When it came time for lunch, the East
> End crew frequently spotted their locomotive at the end of that track
> adjacent to Forest Ave. and walked to the Round the Clock Snack Time
> restaurant across from the Tivoli Theater. If they didn’t spot their
> locomotive there, they would spot it in the yard tracks between Forest and
> Main St.on the south side of the main line, west of the depot.
>
> As I said, the East End way freight would use the DG yards as a staging
> location. They would go east to Pepperidge Farm, east of Fairview Ave. to
> drop off or pick up cars and they would also go to Keller Heart, west of
> Fairview Ave, to set out or pick up cars. Before they moved to a location
> west of Belmont Road, the East End way freight would also set out cars at the
> Schafer Bearing plant on the south side of the main line, just easy of
> Washington St. That building is now the DG city hall. The stub track to
> Schafer Bearing was accessed from the house track that ran around the south
> side of the depot. There was a turnout just east of the depot. When Schafer
> Bearing moved west of Belmont Road, the way freight also provided service
> there.
>
> Bill Barber
>
> > On Oct 9, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Douglas Ramsay <drramsay@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, Leo and Bill,
> >
> > after not finding info on the tanks at the historical society museum
> > collection, I was thinking maybe CB&Q related and possibly a spot for me to
> > use my railroad owned tank cars on the layout that I am planning out. The
> > Great Northern had a small tank farm not far from where I live over in
> > Everett (WA) in which I have seen photos of with GN tank cars sitting
> > alongside. It is still an interesting possible lineside customer for me to
> > spot cars at.
> > Question for Leo, since I know you are very knowledgeable of this area.
> > Would say this industry along with the Hines Lumber yard just to the west,
> > have been worked by the East End way freight?
> >
> > Doug Ramsay
> >
> >
> >> On 10/09/2022 9:00 AM William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Doug,
> >>
> >> I grew about two blocks from those oil tanks on Seeley Ave. having moved
> >> there with my parents in 1946 and lived there until 1966 when I graduated
> >> from college. I often walked the rail yard and right of way to town. There
> >> were actually two oil distributors adjacent to each other at that
> >> location. One had their storage tanks mounted horizontally (see the photo
> >> of 2844 in the Flickr collection) and the other vertically (see the photo
> >> of 2858 in Flickr). My recollection is that the west set of tanks belonged
> >> to Cities Service (much later Citgo) while the east tanks were Standard
> >> Oil. The stub track, adjacent to the tanks on the south side, as Leo
> >> stated, was for tank car supply to both distributors. However, I don’t
> >> ever recall seeing a tank car on that track. By the 1950s and ‘60s, the
> >> supply of oil was being provided by highway trucks. Smaller single frame
> >> trucks were used to distribute the oil locally. Each set of tanks had a
> >> pump house and a small office area. The track, tanks and yard were
> >> elevated in that area above street level. On the north side of the tanks,
> >> the distribution area was lower at street level along Warren Ave. The
> >> railroad had a lower yard in that area that included a couple of tracks.
> >> Going west from the lower yard was another track that went into Hines
> >> Lumber Co. As I recall, that track continued through Hines and rejoined
> >> the upper yard lead somewhat west of Hines. Just east of the oil
> >> distribution facilities was an older two story house adjacent to the
> >> street. I was told that at one time, it was the home of the roundhouse
> >> foreman when there was a roundhouse immediately south of the home. The
> >> roundhouse was torn down in the 1930s and the last of three DG turntables
> >> was removed in the late 1950s or early 1960s.
> >>
> >> My good friend, Bob Campbell may be able to add more details or
> >> corrections to my recollections of the area. He lived with his parents on
> >> Warren Ave. between Montgomery Avenue and Seeley Avenue from 1946 to about
> >> 1963. He is also among the last people to hire onto the Q as a fireman in
> >> 1969.
> >>
> >> Bill Barber
> >> Gravois Mills, MO
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
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