Re: [CBQ] Burlington Truck Lines Semi Lettering

["ken thompson" <mailboat4@gmail.com>]

Ricky,

Yeh, I was afraid it was a too new for 1964.

Ken

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 5:17 PM Rick Keil <rkeil6721@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ken, the COE looks like a Promotex Freightliner and would be from the 1970s. The Ulrich KW is well within your era.

Ricky

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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 5:11:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Burlington Truck Lines Semi Lettering

 

Hi Tom,

Savanna definitely had a TOFC ramp.  It held four 85' flats and they had to have their trailer noses pointed east into the ramp track.  Freeport Fast Freight and Carstensen were the two firms contracted to provide drayage for the ramp there.  BRMZ 508613 was a 40'refrigerated van.  I believe that this van may also be a van equipped with meat rails ( the M in BRMZ).  I got this information from a Q annual traffic report put out by K. L. Schram; Mgr. Mdse.-TOFC Traffic; May 13, 1966.

My own Q track charts of the yard at Peoria don't show where the piggyback ramp was, but I figured it out after looking through many photos and an educated guess.  Good luck with your search.  

Ken Thompson

So. Milwaukee

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 7:46 AM Tom Mack via groups.io <thommack=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 03:30 AM, ken thompson wrote:

I have some company data that shows where all of the Q's piggy back ramps were.

I don't think I have an actual company list of piggyback ramps, but there are lists in one of the public publications, I think the Official Railway Guide. It lists Savanna, IL as having a piggyback ramp, but I have never been able to locate where it was. The yard maps don't show it nor does there seem to be dead-end spur track where a ramp would be located. I have never been able to spot the ramp on any photos either. It may not have been at the yard, but I can't find it on Savanna track charts either.

Interestingly, in a GN wheel report piggyback car TTX 150463 is destined for Q interchange. It carries trailers BRMZ 508613 and NWWZ 406611. The car itself has no destination, but the destination for empty trailer BRMZ 508613 is SAVANNA, IL and the consignee is AGTCBQ. Empty NWWZ 406611 has the destination as CICERO, IL also with consignee AGTCBQ. I'm not sure if this means that once the TTX car was interchanged to the Q it stopped at Savanna to have the BRMZ trailer offloaded and then went on to Cicero to have the NWZZ trailer unloaded, or what.

Does anyone know how a piggyback car with trailers destined to two very different destinations would have been handled? Seems odd to unload both at just one destination then drive the empty trailer to the other destination considering the long distance between Savanna and Cicero. The car making two stops seems to make more sense - BMRZ trailer unloaded at Savanna, then the TTX car put on the next train to Cicero where NWWZ trailer was unloaded. Anyone know how this type of move was handled?

Also, does anyone know if there was an actual ramp at Savanna and where it was?
 
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Tom Mack
Cincinnati, OH

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