Hol,
Thanks for clarifying. I do recall the story he wrote of the day he chased that unit to Sioux City
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Glad you posted the photo, but while it's from my collection, I'm not the photographer; my good friend, the late Ken Crist, took the photo.
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From: Scott Manley <scott.manley@smsooland.com>
Date: 5/28/21 4:07 PM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [CBQ] Stewart F units
Hol Wagners photo of 168A in Sioux City IA 5/1970 looking pretty rough
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Wow Jim, a single unit....very interesting! Thank you!
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From: James Sandrin <sandmantrains@gmail.com>
Date: 5/28/21 4:51 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [CBQ] Stewart F units
Concerning the survivors, only 168A was operable at the merger. It became trade-in material for an SD45 in September 1970. The Q was effectively the first Class one the eliminate the F-unit from its operating roster, subscribing to the
unit reduction marketing pitch of the locomotive builders. Jim Sandrin
As an adjunct question, does anyone know how many, if any, graybacks made it to the BN merger? I see so many early and post merger photos with ex NP and GN F's, but never any Q units. Thanks!
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Date: 5/28/21 4:29 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [CBQ] Stewart F units
Given the variation in grays, I’m glad I don’t have deal with red variations (I model 1953).
The frustrating thing to me is having to preorder sight unseen and take what you get. The most extreme gray differences were Walthers early GP-7s, which were extremely dark gray and Walthers SD-7s, which were extremely
light gray. Running those two in consist was a caricature of reality. I masked the bottom and repainted the gray with Model Flex CB&Q Gray, and now they look ‘right’. I’ll eventually do that with the blue-gray GPs from Broadway Limited.
Nelson Moyer
Valid points and I will add that since I am slightly color blind, what is correct? I focus more on consistency, the Walthers and Athearn F units are noticeably different
to my eyes. The greys and reds on the hood units can be quite off too, Kato to me is way too dark red and some of the greys are way off. Weathering helps, but not always.
Dave brings up a very valid point…
Color is very subjective based on lighting conditions and other colors being viewed at the same time; not to mention the effects of fading and weathering. Also, the same paint
can vary in shade and hue based on the manufacturer or the lot.
My basic rule of thumb is to go with what looks correct to your eye. Modelers do not like that answer as they, especially newer modelers, want a strict hard fast answer as to
what is correct and what is incorrect when in fact, many different variations on the same color can all be correct at the same time.
So…what is the “correct” CB&Q F-unit color on the attached prototype photos?
😉
Dave Lotz
I have graybacks from Walthers, Broadway Limited, and Intermountain, and of the three, Broadway Limited has the most authentic color. The others have a yellowish tint, with Walthers worst
and Intermountain barely perceptible. Intermountain is too white. I haven’t seen the other manufacturers F units, but if anyone has F units from all five, it would be interesting to see them lined up side by side from the best to the worst.
GPs, SDs, and Alcos in CB&Q the blackbird scheme are another story entirely, where paint colors ranges from very dark on early Walthers models to a bluish gray on Broadway limited and very
light brownish gray on Bachmann Alcos. Bowser (Stewart) CB&Q gray is close the Model Flex CB&Q gray, which was supposed to be color matched to paint chips. I haven’t seen a model painted with Tru Color CB&Q blackbird gray (the also have a Chinese red scheme
gray) or their grayback gray, but it would be interested to hear opinions on their authenticity.
Nelson Moyer
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