Re: [SPAM]Re: [CBQ] Stewart F units

["Scott Manley" <scott.manley@smsooland.com>]

Hol Wagners photo of 168A in Sioux City IA 5/1970 looking pretty rough

 

 

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From: popbumper1 via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 5:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [CBQ] Stewart F units

 

Wow Jim, a single unit....very interesting! Thank you!

 

Chris

 

 

 

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From: James Sandrin <sandmantrains@gmail.com>

Date: 5/28/21 4:51 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: CBQ@groups.io

Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [CBQ] Stewart F units

 

Concerning the survivors, only 168A was operable at the merger.  It became trade-in material for an SD45 in September 1970.  The Q was effectively the first Class one the eliminate the F-unit  from its operating roster, subscribing to the unit reduction marketing pitch of the locomotive builders. Jim Sandrin 

 

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On Fri, 28 May 2021 at 15:33, popbumper1 <popbumper1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

As an adjunct question, does anyone know how many, if any, graybacks made it to the BN merger? I see so many early and post merger photos with ex NP and GN F's, but never any Q units. Thanks!  

 

 

 

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From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@hotmail.com>

Date: 5/28/21 4:29 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: CBQ@groups.io

Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [CBQ] Stewart F units

 

Given the variation in grays, I’m glad I don’t have deal with red variations (I model 1953).

 

The frustrating thing to me is having to preorder sight unseen and take what you get. The most extreme gray differences were Walthers early GP-7s, which were extremely dark gray and Walthers SD-7s, which were extremely light gray. Running those two in consist was a caricature of reality. I masked the bottom and repainted the gray with Model Flex CB&Q Gray, and now they look ‘right’. I’ll eventually do that with the blue-gray GPs from Broadway Limited.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Keil
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 2:14 PM
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Subject: [SPAM]Re: [CBQ] Stewart F units

 

Greg,

 

Valid points and I will add that since I am slightly color blind, what is correct?  I focus more on consistency, the Walthers and Athearn F units are noticeably different to my eyes.  The greys and reds on the hood units can be quite off too, Kato to me is way too dark red and some of the greys are way off.  Weathering helps, but not always.

 

Ricky Keil

St Louis, MO

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of Greg <gbaumgardner@smithfield.com>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 2:09 PM
To: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Stewart F units

 

Dave brings up a very valid point…

 

Color is very subjective based on lighting conditions and other colors being viewed at the same time; not to mention the effects of fading and weathering. Also, the same paint can vary in shade and hue based on the manufacturer or the lot.

 

My basic rule of thumb is to go with what looks correct to your eye. Modelers do not like that answer as they, especially newer modelers, want a strict hard fast answer as to what is correct and what is incorrect when in fact, many different variations on the same color can all be correct at the same time.

 

 

 

 

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From: CBQ@groups.io [mailto:CBQ@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Lotz
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:22 PM
To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Stewart F units

 

So…what is the “correct” CB&Q F-unit color on the attached prototype photos? 

 

😉

 

Dave Lotz

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:49 PM
To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Stewart F units

 

I have graybacks from Walthers, Broadway Limited, and Intermountain, and of the three, Broadway Limited has the most authentic color. The others have a yellowish tint, with Walthers worst and Intermountain barely perceptible. Intermountain is too white.  I haven’t seen the other manufacturers F units, but if anyone has F units from all five, it would be interesting to see them lined up side by side from the best to the worst.

 

GPs, SDs, and Alcos in CB&Q the blackbird scheme are another story entirely, where paint colors ranges from very dark on early Walthers models to a bluish gray on Broadway limited and very light brownish gray on Bachmann Alcos. Bowser (Stewart) CB&Q gray is close the Model Flex CB&Q gray, which was supposed to be color matched to paint chips. I haven’t seen a model painted with Tru Color CB&Q blackbird gray (the also have a Chinese red scheme gray) or their grayback gray, but it would be interested to hear opinions on their authenticity.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

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