Just for a couple little...You guys may..know this, but' I've just got to put it in here "just because'
Louis mentions Mr. Whitman and Mr. Adyelot "got on Mr.Murphy[s case. so to speak...Well, these two WP men were former Q officers... (Jim) Adyelot and (Fred) Whitman were personal friends of my grandfather. I recall my GF telling the story of his driving over to Phelps City MO in a snow storm to pick up Whitman off train No. 27 go attend one of those..."You can't close that station" meetings
As I began to search out a railroad job as I approached Mr. Whitman about the possibility...I got one of those "let us know when you graduate and we'll try to find somehign for you letter...I never followed up on that one.
All this extraneous information is submitted to the group at no extra charge. Well, maybe you could pay "just what its worth.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Hosler <dehosler@frontier.com>
To: cbq <cbq@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2020 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Amplified Twin Cities Zephyr
I fully agree with Louis’ assessment! You people are amazing. So yes, Happy New Year!
Doug Hosler
January 1, 2020
All - Isn't this one absolutely amazing group where
such detailed information can be found and shared on just one
obscure Zephyr image!!! Happy New Year Everyone -
Louis
Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
In a message dated 1/1/2020 2:04:21 PM Central Standard Time,
holpennywagner@msn.com writes:
Brian:
I passed this on to Bill Schultz, and here is his response:
This is No. 21 departing Winona Jct. The three forward domes
are CZ cars. During the mid-1950s, Burlington frequently
pulled the trio of domes (chair cars) from a CZ consist for use on
the Twins (either 21-24's or 22-23's consist, but not both trains
simultaneously; 21-24 seems to have been the more-frequent of the
two) as circumstances dictated - together with pre-war
general-service chair cars. This appears to have been a
weekend phenomenon and was likely exacerbated by the ascendancy of
the "Creative Traffic" program which included one-day round-trip
tours from Chicago and the Twin Cities to East Dubuque and Prairie
du Chien; by the late 1950s, TCZ mid-week consists were usually six
cars. Earliest and latest confirmed dates are December 1953
and August 1958 (the photo at the bottom of p. 58 in Bulletin 57
depicts the latter). The addition of a pattern dome could
result in nine domes (eight chair-car; one parlor car) in one
train, the most ever operated by any carrier in one stand-alone (as
opposed to consolidated) train.
This required that the three domes (chair cars) arriving Chicago on
No. 18 return west that same afternoon on No. 17, something that
looked better on paper than in actual practice. It was
difficult enough when 18 was on-time, and frequently resulted in
grievously-late departures (as late as 6 or 7 p.m.) of No. 17 when
18 was late. I rather suspect that following one-too-many
late origin-terminal departures of No. 17, Messrs. Aydelott and
Whitman had enough and collectively lowered the boom on Harry
Murphy, ending the practice.
The train in the Winona Jct. photo has a "downstairs" capacity of
508 in the chair cars and an additional 168 in the seven chair-car
domes. The dome seats weren't to be counted as revenue seats,
but were used as such when the need arose, so that this train has
the potential of having in excess of 600 chair-car passengers
aboard. (In such circumstances, the two guys assigned to
21-24's baggage-buffet probably qualified as the hardest-working
employees on the Burlington.) Its worth noting that a second
dining car (also pulled from the CZ) wasn't used; the diner
arriving Chicago on 18 couldn't be turned back the same day on No.
17 (due to the amount of cleaning, inspection, servicing, and
restocking and the time that all of that required) and all of the
other lightweight dining cars were in assigned service, so the one
car sufficed
At the risk of making too fine a point, in all of the internal
CB&Q/C&S/FW&D correspondence I've reviewed, "amplify"
and "amplified" were terms associated with adding conventional
streamlined cars to the fixed-consist articulated/semi-articulated
trainsets but weren't used when additional cars were added to the
consists of non-articulated trains.
Bill
From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on
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<tubaman21=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 1:49 PM
To: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io>
Subject: [CBQ] Amplified Twin Cities Zephyr
This photo from the Greg Smith collection appears to show two
TCZ consists or an amplified consist northbound at Winona Jct. Any
ideas on what is occurring here? I don't see a second obs car, so I
am leaning more towards an amplified consist vs 2
together.
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Thanks!
Bryan J. Howell
Superior, WI
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