Re: [CBQ] Q/BN Collector's uniform

["jpslhedgpeth via Groups.Io" <jpslhedgpeth=aol.com@groups.io>]

thanks Leo...I understand exactly the situation..I saw the same thing on the Rock Island..Only difference was the name on the equipment and name tags and RR insignia on the lapel pins.  

I don't know how employee passes worked on other railroads, but on the Rock Island after you had been employeed a certain length of time and lived in the Chicago area you got a suburban pass.  Of course all of the "General Office" people had suburban passes.  Well the rule was that if there were "paying passengers' who were standing the folks with Suburban passes were supposed to stand up.  My all time favorite Superintendent of whom I have "lovingly spoken" many times before used to "go on patrol" through the suburban trains and if there were standees and some employees were "sitees"  He would go and make those "sitees" stand up and threaten to take their passes away.  He also constantly harrangued his trainmasters to ride the trains and do the same.  Well hardly any of us "underlings" did that..I really didn't have any problem with that situation.  since I was strictly a 6:00pm-6:00am TM I didn't do much Suburban train riding.  

Also there were assigned "smoking cars" on each train..It was kind of a "where the car was located in the train" designation ...I don't even remember how it was designated...

Back in my day...and probably yours, Leo just about everybody smoked...Now, I supposed there are few..maybe almost none..

Pete     Probably too off topic here, so I'll ask forgiveness and promise to "do better in the future  

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From: Leo Phillipp via Groups.Io <qutlx1=aol.com@groups.io>
To: CBQ <CBQ@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Q/BN Collector's uniform

Yes Pete your memory is correct. I don't have the book in front of me but basically the rule was something to the effect of "while dealing with passengers". So............ many men on suburban met the rule and still used tobacco by simply not using while in the coaches with passengers present.

Here's a couple examples I recall from the dinkies:

1)Ray Prince had that stogie in the corner of his mouth while doing the air brake test in the  Coach yard, while backing down to Union Station, while standing at the rear of his train while boarding but not while collecting tickets. As soon as the last passenger detrained and we were running empty to the Hill yard or on a train to Aurora depot in a car w/o any passengers out came the stogie.

2) many men got around the rule by lighting a cigarette in the vestibule while running between stations after collecting tickets. As the next stop was approached the little door 

Over the door cutout valve in the wall of the vestibule would be pushed into an open position and the burning cigarette would be balanced on the edge and the cutout valve while passengers were loaded and unloaded. As soon as the doors closed the cigarette came back out. While the burning cigarette rested on or next to the door cutout valve its smoke went up inside the wall of the car. Most of these valves, doors and around them were well marked with residual tar, nicotine and smoke.

Of course when we had smoking cars guys got their nicotine fix by just working the smokers. But that's another story for another day. Just think about 120-140 smokers in one car whose ventilation systems capacity was quickly exceeded.

Leo

On Sep 24, 2019, at 9:50 AM, jpslhedgpeth via Groups.Io <jpslhedgpeth=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Isn't there something in t he "book of rules" regarding the use of tobacco by emloyees in uniform while on duty ...or something like that..As usual I can't find my rule book for the exact wording.

Pete

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From: Leo Phillipp via Groups.Io <qutlx1=aol.com@groups.io>
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Sent: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 7:33 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Q/BN Collector's uniform

Another BRHS member (Bob Campbell), who also worked with Ray Prince on the dinkies contacted me off list. He reminded me that Ray always had a stogie stub in his mouth. I had totally forgotten that detail.

Leo

On Sep 23, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@gmail.com> wrote:

Leo,

Thank you for the recollections of Mr. Ray Prince.  There is always a story to go with the stuff and that is what makes this so interesting.

Eric Mumper

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