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Greetings Hol. Thanks for your correction. So, it is the 1899 JOA I need. Do you have a copy? There was a JOA between the ASTF and the SP in early 1899 (ie before the ATSF/C&S) covering the joint usage of SP's Tehachapi, CA track. I am interested is seeing if there are similarities between the JOAs. It is likely that the Tehachapi JOA would have been reported in the railroad press. Perhaps this sparked the C&S's interest in a similar deal. Please excuse my failing brainpower, a legacy of Indo-China circa 1970. Mark
On Friday, 26 July 2019, 2:40:53 am ACST, HOL WAGNER <holpennywagner@msn.com> wrote:
Mark:
Your original JOA dates are off by one year. The original JOA was effective Aug 1, 1899, as the C&S did not begin operation until Jan 12, 1899 and was not incorporated until Dec 19, 1898. The original agreement was renewed and expanded after one year,
thus in 1900, and, greatly expanded and modified, remains in effect today.
Hol
From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of sellarsmark_aus via Groups.Io <sellarsmark_aus=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:37 PM To: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Magazine and book resources Hello Rupert,
I hope you are well!
I am looking for a copy of the Joint Operating Agreement ("JOA") between the Colorado & Southern and the ATSF operative from 1 August 1898 and 31 July 1899. A new JOA became operative on 1 August 1899 and it has been renewed since.
Hol Wagner says he saw a copy in the C&S archives in History Colorado (A public archive of Colorado's history in Denver, CO). The copy has grown legs or has been misfiled. History Coloardo holds most of the old C&S corporate documents.
The agreement, modified slightly, has is operative today. It covers the joint usage of the ATSF track between South Denver and Pueblo, plus ATSF usage of C&S facilities in Denver and usage by the C&S of ATSF facilities in Colorado Springs and
Pueblo. The D&RGW was dragged kicking and screaming into the JOA in 1918 by the USRA. One notable change to the JOA are the new legal parties, ie BNSF and the UP.
I have copies of all the JOAs bar two; the 1898 and a 1964 renewal (for legal reasons I cannot even view this!)
Any thoughts on how I can tackle this dilemma?
I guess I need to hire a researcher with access to the C&S vaults (in Chicago?)
Mark Sellars
South Australia
On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 8:43:10 am ACST, Rupert Gamlen <gamlenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
These are some of the basic resources I use for on-line research.
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