Mark
Nice to hear from you again. Got any more bad weather to send across the Tasman to us?
I was going to suggest Hol but I then saw his name mentioned so that was my number one C&S source destroyed. There may be mentions of the agreement in the railroad trade magazines but they would be short of details.
Was the 1918 JOA the original or had it been amended by then? If not, are the USRA records available? I’ve looked for the annual report of the Colorado Railroad Commission in case it had something but can’t find one for this period. I also wondered whether
BNSF have a copy. However, I’ve tried contacting the BNSF over the trade mark registration of the Burlington Route Herald, and got absolutely nowhere, not even a reply, but you may have more success.
What about the Santa Fe Historical & Modeling Society
https://sfrhms.org/ or ATSF Internet resource Center at
http://atsfirc.qstation.org/ If that doesn’t work, look at joining (temporarily) an AT&SF group at groups.io, then check the group’s archives and messages, and ask if anyone has a copy. I’ve joined a number of such groups and been fairly lucky. I tell
them that I am a temporary escapee and detail where I reside, which often gets extra results. Give them the nearest city in South Australia as your base so that they can identify with you. There’s bound to be someone in the group who has been or would like
to visit.
Have you tried asking the CBQ group in case someone has a copy? I’m sorry that I can’t be of much assistance but if I have any bright ideas, I’ll let you know.
Rupert.
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I am looking for a copy of the Joint Operating Agreement ("JOA") between the Colorado & Southern and the ATSF operative from 1 August 1898 and 31 July 1899. A new JOA became
operative on 1 August 1899 and it has been renewed since.
Hol Wagner says he saw a copy in the C&S archives in History Colorado (A public archive of Colorado's history in Denver, CO). The copy has grown legs or has been misfiled.
History Coloardo holds most of the old C&S corporate documents.
The agreement, modified slightly, has is operative today. It covers the joint usage of the ATSF track between South Denver and Pueblo, plus ATSF usage of C&S facilities in
Denver and usage by the C&S of ATSF facilities in Colorado Springs and Pueblo. The D&RGW was dragged kicking and screaming into the JOA in 1918 by the USRA. One notable change to the JOA are the new legal parties, ie BNSF and the UP.
I have copies of all the JOAs bar two; the 1898 and a 1964 renewal (for legal reasons I cannot even view this!)
Any thoughts on how I can tackle this dilemma?
I guess I need to hire a researcher with access to the C&S vaults (in Chicago?)
These are some of the basic resources I use for on-line research.
Hathi Trust
https://www.hathitrust.org/ my first choice, with perhaps the biggest inventory of pre-1923 material railroad related material. This includes CB&Q directors reports, tourism books, CB&Q official history, etc. For example, almost all volumes up to 1923 of
Railroad Gazette, Railway Age and American Railroad Journal are available. Volumes of a particular title may be on several pages and may not necessarily be in chronological order. Although much of the scanned material comes from Google Books, the downloads
are searchable.
Individual pages can be downloaded as pdf or download the whole/part book using Hathi Download Helper from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hathidownloadhelper/ amongst other sites. This is slow with about 30 pages downloading every 5 minutes, but I leave it running while I do other things.
Linda Hall Library http://lhldigital.lindahall.org/cdm/search/collection/rrjournal/order/title/ad/asc
This will give you access to 7500+ railroad magazines up to 1900, including Railroad Master Mechanic, National Car Builder, Railroad Car Journal, etc. which are not available elsewhere. You cannot view the books on-line but need to download each issue separately.
Tiresome but worth it.
Archive
https://archive.org/index.php part of the Library of Congress. Limited material but has some books and magazines not found elsewhere. Search facility is not as good as Hathi but adequate. Books can be downloaded in different formats.
Google Books
https://books.google.com/ This site gives access to some magazines and books that are not available elsewhere including some post-1922, but the selection is not as good as Hathi. You can download from this site but, having done so, you will not be able
to search that pdf yourself. You have to use the website search function which is limited. Other problems are that it is hard to find the volume you seek as they are not in year order, there is no guarantee that having downloaded a copy it will still be available
for searching at a later date, and it blocks non-U.S. residents from many items for no apparent reason, even pre-1923 material.
LOC newspapers
https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ There are other sites that require payment for access, although you may be able to access them through your library.
JSTOR
https://www.jstor.org/ is a digital library. You may be able to access it through your local library, or you can pay a subscription for downloading, or you can sign up and get reading access to 6 publications a month. Individual pages can be copied with
screen prints.
Railway & Locomotive Historical Society http://www.rlhs.org/Publications/RailHistoryIndex/
Publications can be accessed through JSTOR
If you want help to explore these sites or are looking for a particular publication, let me or one of the other researchers know and we’ll try to help.
Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ
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