Re: [CBQ] CB&Q Grain Elevators,Grain Covered Hoppers

["Nolen Null via Groups.Io" <NNull=aol.com@groups.io>]

Doug,

Thanks for the info.  I remember using the stuff on the farm and hating the fact that a full sheet was awkward to handle easily.  

If I were doing a model these days I think I'd try my trusty NWSL chopper and use either Campbell Scale Models or Keystone Loco Works corrugated siding.

Nolen

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From: Douglas Harding <doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org>
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Sent: Sat, Apr 13, 2019 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q Grain Elevators,Grain Covered Hoppers

Nolan, corrugated siding comes in various widths and lengths. Standard is 26” wide, but 33” and 37” is also available. Overlapping 2 corrugations gives a 24” exposed width when used for roofing. Overlapping a single corrugation was typical for sheeting walls. Lengths are 8’, 10’, & 12’

 

Years ago I built a model of a grain elevator with corrugated siding made from heavy duty aluminum foil. The base was built out of styrene sheet, then pieces of foil siding was glued to the styrene using Walthers Goo. I shaped the siding by pressing the foil into a piece of Evergreen corrugated siding, using a second piece of the evergreen stock as a die to press in the corrugations. I then cut it into individual strips with an xacto knife. Cutting it was the most difficult part, cross cutting crushed the corrugations, so I did not spend the time cutting strips to width. Taking pictures tonight tells me I need to finish this modelJ

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: CBQ@groups.io [mailto:CBQ@groups.io] On Behalf Of Nolen Null via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 9:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q Grain Elevators,Grain Covered Hoppers

 

Doug,

 

I know a lot of the older elevators were sheathed over with corrugated siding.  My question is:  what were the dimension of the siding.  My memory is 3' or 3.6' by 9'.  Anybody have a more accurate dimension.  I don't think I've seen a model with corrugated siding.  Applying individual sheets would take considerable time.

 

Nolen Null

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From: Douglas Harding <doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org>
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Sent: Sat, Apr 13, 2019 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q Grain Elevators,Grain Covered Hoppers

To follow up on Leo's comments. In eastern Iowa and Western Illinois, by the
late 60s farmers began trucking their grain directly to the Mississippi
river to load in barges. By the 80s almost all were doing this, as highway
and truck designs improved while rail service deteriorated. And yes grain
elevators preferred covered hoppers, once covered hoppers with a trough
design came into common use for grain loading, ie the mid 70s, and if their
track could support the weight of the larger cars. Many older elevators
could only load boxcars well into the 80s, when those still operating
shifted completely to trucks. There was a major shift in grain service as
exports grew, covered hoppers came into use, and elevator designs changed.
Then unit trains came into being. The old wooded elevators faded out of use
because they were too small. Those that survived are often used for local
storage and/or truck service only.

Attached are a few photos of older wood grain elevators, showing double
spouts for loading boxcars or for loading hopper cars. Also are two photos
showing how a boxcar was loaded. The CN shows the spout was plenty high
enough to top load if needed. I took the shot of the Albert Lea elevator
along the former MSTL, you can see the new spout opening directly above the
original. I also took the photo of the Nodaway IA elevator 4 years ago,
along the CBQ mainline. It too shows two spouts.

Doug  Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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From: CBQ@groups.io [mailto:CBQ@groups.io] On Behalf Of Leo Phillipp via
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Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 10:10 AM
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Subject: [CBQ] CB&Q Grain Elevators,Grain Covered Hoppers

I'll take a try at answering Tom's question about Grain elevator preference
but before that I'd like to discuss the train in the photo. While we will
never know for sure I don't think this is a wayfreight. With the exception
of the Fox River wayfreight, the Roustabout and the Rockfalls job all Aurora
Division wayfreights by this time had a single geep or an end cab switchers.
None of the two unit jobs went anywhere near Sandwich.

It was my experience the elevators that had the capacity much preferred the
Covered Hoppers because of rate savings,easeof loading(no Grain doors to
cooper) and no lost Grain and claims. The box cars were sieves, train crews
were equipped with rags in the waycar tool lockers to stuff in holes,etc.

Keep in mind by this time the Qs online Grain business was a shadow of the
former volume. I have a report by a Aurora Division special asst. dated mid
to late 60s in which he summarizes his Station by Station loading/car
traffic by stating"Grain traffic has left the railroad". I once asked a 90
plus year old farmer when did the Grain start leaving the railroad. He
thought for all of about 5 seconds and replied when the Illinois River was
deepened and locks installed in the early 1930s. Farmers simply trucked
their grain to river terminals directly or the local elevator did it. This
process took years to reach the point it was in the late 60s.

Leo

 

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