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Re: [CBQ] ITD & FTD.

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] ITD & FTD.
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:47:25 -0600
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I concur with the times specified and other criteria stated below from "run extra".
But on FTD it wasn't necessarily about the inbound engineer "didling around". For example if a yard engine was on the lead switching cars in front of your inbound move or in Cicero you were routed into receiving yard and got to watch the hump engine block you while they slowly shoved cars over hump vs going into D yard and being blocked by another engine making up a transfer,etc,etc,

Now ITD , well that was just plain painful or very profitable depending on how one looked at it. There are many examples and here are just a couple.

Eastbound at Savanna,IL. You've laid around waiting for a return train for over 16 hours and therefore you're now on rule 32. This rule boils down to after sixteen hours you're back on the clock(pay) until "ordered" to go back on duty. What often happened is after you've been on rule 32 for a couple hours you're ordered and go to the yard only to find the train isn't due for sometime. Maybe an hour or more. So a private conversation is had between Condr or engr and dispatcher about changing the on duty time to the arrival of the train. This was usually amicably resolved. 

Another massive occurrence of ITD was when Compass was implemented on BN. But that will be a future article in the Friends of BN.

Overall keep in mind that working in the operating dept. of a RR closely paralleled the army saying of hurry up and wait. 

Leo Phiillipp



On Jan 16, 2018, at 8:41 PM, runextra@gmail.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

ITD and FTD were union contract 'arbitrary' payments. Train crews got paid by the mile not by the hour. So the railroad company had no incentive to get you out of a terminal, over the road, and into a terminal to tie up. They just didn't care. You could sit for HOURS with no additional pay were it not for ITD/FTD.
Where I worked (Sheridan WY) ITD started at 1 hour and 15 minutes after you were On Duty if you had not departed the initial terminal by that time. You got no extra pay for that 1:15 delay but went on "straight time minutes' from 1:15 until actually departing. Often you would get HOURS of ITD if the call On Duty time was off or the train had gotten delayed before it got to your terminal or if the yard (at Laurel) did not have your train switched & ready.
FTD gave the RR company 30 minutes from your arrival at the Final Terminal to get your train into the yard and get you tied up (Off Duty). If it took longer than 30 minutes th en you got paid FTD. Unlike ITD, FTD _was_ retroactive to your arrival time. In other words if it took them 30 minutes or less to get you tied up you got no FTD pay but if it took them 31 minutes to get you tied up then you got 31 minutes FTD pay. Once on FTD you stayed on it getting paid 'straight time' minute by minute until you were tied up. If the yard was jammed you could make HOURS of FTD pay waiting to yard your train



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