Re: [CBQ] Re: 1952 flooding

["LZadnichek@aol.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

January 31, 2017

 

Mark and Hol - Did the Santa Fe (Uncle Pete to you real old timers....) run their own steam locomotives on detoured trains over the Q? Sometime in the past, I've seen images of Santa Fe diesel streamliners detouring, but I've never seen an image of a Santa Fe steam locomotive running over the Q east of Denver, or west from Chicago for that matter. Did Otto Perry or any others photograph any such scenes? Best Regards - Louis

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL

 

In a message dated 1/31/2017 3:24:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:

Greetings everyone,

Hol. Wagner greatly exaggerates my knowledge of railroading in Colorado.

I am much indebted to real historians such as Hol.

Living in Australia puts me at a distinct disadvantage in accessing primary records.

Otto Perry took at least one still image of the Chief (I think) early morning east of Denver in July 1951.

At least one video, "Otto Perry's Santa Fe", shows remarkable images of t he flooding (location ?) as well as trains over the Joint Line.

I think the original 16mm movies are held by the Rocky Mountain Rail Road Club.

Otto Perry was not only a great photographer, but noted details such as when, where he took his images.

The above is from my aged memory; I will confirm my guesses later.

Mark Sellars

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From: "Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
To: "CBQ@yahoogroups.com" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2017, 0:29
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: 1952 flooding

 

Mark:

Good to hear from you.  And you are right about Denver and Pueblo being dry in 1951, when eastern and particularly southeastern Colorado were in the early stages of a drought that by 1955 had reached record proportions.  The Santa Fe did indeed detour up to Denver over the Joint Line (which, of course, was their own railroad northbound) and east on the Q.  And the railfan photographers seemed to concentrate exclusively on recording the action on the Joint Line rather than on the much less scenic Burlington mainline east from Denver.  Too bad for us Q fans.

For those unaware, though residing down in South Australia, Mark is a learned student of Colorado railroad history, most especially as it pertains to the D&RG/D&RGW, but with a vast storehouse of information on most Colorado lines.  He is not unlike "our own" Rupert Gamlen in New Zealand who has become a treasure trove of Burlington information primarily through online research.

Hol

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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Mark Sellars sellarsmark_aus@yahoo.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:10 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: 1952 flooding

 

 

Greetings everyone,

Hol Wagner is better able to confirm this that I, but I think Denver to Pueblo CO was largely 'dryish' in July 1951.

My belief is that the ATSF transcon passenger trains, during the re-routing, ran from LA/ SF east to La Junta then Pueblo and Denver CO, before on to the Q.

Some I guess went to Galesburg and some to Kansas City.

The westward trains ran in reverse.

There are many photographs and movies of ATSF transcon trains, including freight extras, on the ATSF/C&S Denver Division.

I would welcome anyone who can set me straight.  :-)

Mark Sellars

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From: "Walter Ohrnell wohrnell@kc.rr.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017, 11:47
Subject: [CBQ] Re: 1952 flooding

 

While working in the Chicago HQ we had copies of the local newspaper showing the devastation from the flood in Kansas City. I believe Denver may have
experienced the same that year.

Walter Ohrnell

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