Appreciated Ur f/b out thhere in the No 3 corn state. Maybe there is some truth @ the footballstadium on a given Satuday afternoon 2 the meanin of that "great big N" in the center of the the field + the piping of the game @ shopping malls andstrips t/o the state.
With alot of ag "fluff" product being mfg in NE, IA, MO, KS, So MN, what other load-outs or recv'g locations, viz, origin, destn, product, are or were available 4/these big , bold, beautiful cars which were a bitch to switch or run in a train w/o seperating.
Do U know of any revenue analysis which was performed on these assets?
Fyi, Pat On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Rick rkeil6721@hotmail.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Pat
Outstanding information, glad I asked!
Ricky Keil
Papillion, NE
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Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 10:51 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com; CBQ@yahoogroups.com; Bill Hirt; fhc925@frontier.com; tommack@yahoo.com
Subject: [CBQ] 60 ft and 86 ft Auto Parts Box Cars
Two ( 2) issues 4 further consideration. The former FRISCO had a fleet of 86 foot a/pts
cars. They ran on NYC/PCN, North yards Detroit, MI 2 Fenton I and II on the far west side
of The St Louis/E St Louis Switching District for Chyrsler Corp.
After this plant was closed what other possibilities did these cars have. One ( 1) interesting
operation involved the shipment of 'Q-Tips' 4 J&J PRODUCTS (Johnson & Johnson) from
Denton, TX to Wilmington, IL routed SLSF/St Louis%TRRA%GM&O. Further "J&J" had four
( 4) other DC's which received this fluff material. Any insights? Any comments?
Fyi, Pat
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:59 PM, 'fhc925@frontier.com' fhc925@frontier.com [CBQ]
<CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Rick:
The Q handled a lot of assembly parts from Chicago to Grand Island. Primarily they moved from Michigan origins to Fremont/Warm Springs CA for GM. We moved various parts out of Flint for Chevy and from
Pontiac for Pontiac Motor and GM Truck & Coach. Mostly it stampings (hoods/fenders/doors) but some engines and a large move of frames on flat cars from Pontiac. Because you mentioned the Omaha area there was a move of frames on flat cars from AO Smith at
Milwaukee to Fremont via MILW-Council Bluffs-CBQ-Denver-DRGW-SP for Chevy. We did not handle any parts for Buick and just a few for Oldsmobile at Lansing to Southgate, CA (LA) via GTW-Q-UP.
Via Denver we handled a nice volume of assembly parts for Ford at San Jose/Milpitas primarily from Dearborn MI via DTI-Wabash(N&W)-Chicago-Q-DRGW-WP. Back to your Omaha question there was a small move
(once or twice a month) of furfural in tank cars from Quaker Oats at Omaha or Fremont (I don't remember which) to Ford at Mt. Clemens, MI to their paint plant via CBQ-GTW. We also handled some replacement automobile glass to Omaha from Shatterproof Glass
at Detroit via NYC (PC)-Chgo-CBQ in 50ft DFs. The Q cars assigned to Shatterproof were modified low numbered 47000 series box cars.
Wow! I haven't thought about some of these things since 1970.
BTW, most of these moves disappeared from the Q in the late 1960s as Ford and GM rearranged their transportation of parts and for one reason or another we were not included.
Fred
On Monday, August 8, 2016 8:52 AM, "Rick rkeil6721@hotmail.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Fred
If I repeated this question, sorry, I didn't see the email from yesterday go through.
You said the auto parts could also go to the West Coast or KC? How would they have been routed? For West Coast (via UP) would they go on the CGI for interchange with the UP in Grand Island?
I am modeling the Omaha area including a portion of the Chicago-Denver mainline at Pacific Junction so trying to build a representative roster of cars.
Thanks
Rick Keil
Papillion, NE
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Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 8:12 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] 60 ft and 86 ft Auto Parts Box Cars
Tom:
Bill is correct on the auto parts traffic moving to the Ford St. Paul Assembly plant. It was routed via Chicago-MILW on traffic coming
off the NYC/PRR/B&O/GTW etc. Ford originated a lot of parts traffic on the DT&I at Dearborn, MI and much of it was routed DTI-AA-GBW-Winona-MILW. The Q did not handle any of this traffic. Traffic from the C&O/PM lines in Michigan could also move via GBW
but I think most of it moved via Chicago-MILW.
There were some replacement part moves that originated in the Detroit area to warehouses the Q did handle via the C&I. The biggest moves were for GM locations in the Pacific Northwest and if
memory serves these moved off of C&O points via Chicago CB&Q-GN. By the late 1960s GM had consolidated their replacement part origin operation at Waterford, MI. By this time most of 50ft cars had been replaced by 60ft cars and the Q had a few assigned there.
Ford consolidated their replacement parts at Brownstown MI but this did not occur until the BN merger. BN had about 15 or so 86ft single door cars which were ordered by the Q and GN but when built had BN paint and numbers in this pool as well. Seattle was
a destination for this traffic and moved over the C&I. The Q did not handle any parts for Chrysler on a regular basis.
The Q did handle large volumes of assembly parts traffic over Chicago for both Ford and GM but they were destined to West Coast and KC area assembly plants mostly via DGRW and UP. How do I know
this? I worked for the Q/BN in Detroit from 1964-1977 and watching this traffic was one of my duties. And I realized a year or so ago I was only one from the Q era in Detroit still alive. Better start asking your questions now.
Fred Crissey
On Saturday, August 6, 2016 10:58 AM, "Bill Hirt whirt@fastmail.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Tom,
I have not seen any of these cars in actual consists that have been posted. You might recall the recent Trains magazine article about the BN merger. In the article, it says the BN had no online auto plants that it served. That reduces the possibility of
these cars showing up regularly on the Q. The Q did contribute cars to auto plant and auto part pools. The recent Operations SIG publication Dispatchers Office had a several page article by Brian Holtz about RBL pool cars for the Schlitz breweries. The railroads
made money on these cars because they were in constant service, paid daily per diem, and often never saw their home rails. I've read in books and articles about the GB&W that many auto parts cars to the Twin Cities would take the Ann Arbor ferry across Lake
Michigan to the GB&W. It avoided the Chicago congestion and was faster. That was the primary lifeblood of the GB&W. They could easily turn these cars over the MILW at Winona. When deregulation came, the railroads changed rate structures and that was the end
of the ferries and pretty much the beginning of the end of the GB&W as then existed. There was also a C&O ferry to Milwaukee which cars could be turned directly to the MILW for hauling to Ford plant in the Twin Cities.
Bill Hirt
Does anyone know what routes the longer 60' and 86' auto parts box cars might have traveled on the Q?
I cannot recall seeing photos of any of these long boxcars running between Chicago and Mpls/StP. It got me to wondering if there were any auto plants along the line or at either end that would be serviced by these longer cars. That might account for not
seeing any photos or references.
Has anyone ever researched this or does anyone recall photos of these long box cars running on the C&I in the late 1960's?
Tom Mack
Cincinnati, OH
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