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Re: [CBQ] Ore Cars on Non-Unit Trains

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From: "'John D. Mitchell, Jr.' cbqrr47@yahoo.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 03:25:29 +0000 (UTC)
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Up until about the mid-60's, ore trains to Granite City did not run in "unit trains" but in "blocks" of cars in the regular trains from Galesburg via the Beardstown Division into Granite City. Remember in those days, there were no multi-car or unit train rates from the iron range to Granite City. After the BN merger, they moved down the K-line, to some extent. Some of the ore, at one time moved via the old Litchfield & Madison, from Litchfield to Granite City. That stopped with the C&NW-L&M merger.
 

From: "thommack@yahoo.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:44 PM
Subject: [CBQ] Ore Cars on Non-Unit Trains

 
I always knew that the Q ran unit ore trains down from Mpls-StP to Granite City, IL and Chicago, especially during the winter when the Great Lakes were frozen over (although frequent photos appear of even summer ore trains), but the wheel reports that Bill Hirt posted back in July (original source by Russ Strodtz in the Rail Freight Group) were very interesting and I did some major slicing and dicing of those reports that I will post more info on shortly.
 
My find from the wheel reports that I will address in this e-mail and put out there for some feedback (I hope) has to do with Train 97 from Galesburg to Savanna on June 4, 1966. This train contained a solid string of 15 empty NP ore cars. It of course is not surprising that they are empty, but what did surprise me was that these were in a mixed freight instead of a dedicated ore train, and it was June, not winter. This would indicate that smaller shipments of ore may have been sent by rail to the steel mills in the summer months.
 
Does anyone have any additional insight on these smaller ore shipments that might come through on a regularly scheduled freight train and not a dedicated ore extra? I know that many of the ore train photos I have seen are GN cars heading to the Chicago area, and if I recall correctly, DM&IR ore trains went down to Granite City. This was the first I heard of NP cars, so I am wondering if anyone can also shed any light on NP ore care shipments and who they might have gone to or come from? My assumption would be that these might be going down to Granite City as I would think that a short string of ore cars in a regular mixed freight might just travel direct to Chicago over the C&I vs. ”around the horn” to Galesburg and then Chicago, which I believe was the route taken by unit ore trains so as to keep them off the C&I passenger main. This can make for some interesting cars in a mixed freight, especially if they also showed up going to or coming from Chicago on one of the normally scheduled Savanna to Chicago freights such as 82, 83, 102, or 181.

Tom Mack
Cincinnati, OH




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