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From: "'Dave Lotz' Dave_Lotz@bellsouth.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:25:09 -0500
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Norm,
 
Thanks for the correction.  My bad on going from memory.
 
Dave
 
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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
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To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [CBQ] Re: FW&D GP-40 620 - 639

 

Dave, on 2 Mar 1970 the CS wasn't a wholly-owned subsidiary of the CBQ.  The CBQ owned about 74% of the CS, I've been told that most of the 26% was owned by the estate of former CS VP{ Robert Rice, for whom the CS' Rice Yard was named.  The BN gradually acquired enough of the stock to force a merger with the CS.  The CS owned all but 16 shares of the FWD so the FWD  was an indirect subsidiary of the BN.  Norm Metcalf, Boulder Colorado

On 11/6/2014 7:28 AM, 'Dave Lotz' Dave_Lotz@bellsouth.net [CBQ] wrote:

Bill & all,
 
The Diesel roster on the BRHS web site has been updated to remove the FW&D notation on the 620-639 GP40s.  These units were purchased in February of 1968 as CB&Q units in addition to the 20 GP40s purchased in December of 1966 (units 170-189), so will be kept on the CB&Q roster.
 
Since the C&S and FW&D were wholly-owned subsidiaries of the CB&Q and became the same of the BN after the merger, we'll keep the pre-merger units listed in the CB&Q roster with identification of their respective subsidiary ownership.  Post merger locos should not be included in the CB&Q rosters, but probably should be included in BN locomotive rosters on the Friends of the Burlington Northern web site (http://www.fobnr.org/).
 
Dave Lotz
BRHS
 
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Subject: [Bulk] [CBQ] Re: FW&D GP-40 620 - 639

 

OK, I understand it, there were no GP-40's on the FW&D, and I was aware of the differences in the mergers of the C&S and FW&D into the CB&Q/BN all being on different dates.   We/I also now know there were FW&D GP-38-2's.  With all that being revisited it must have been the GP38-2s I saw back in the  70s and early 80s rather than the non-existent GP40's.  

A huge thanks to those who sent the photos, to me it was a definite"blast from the past" and memories of the great times I had railfanning when I lived in Colorado Springs.  Things were different in those days!  One day while my wife and I were photographing a coal train in the hole south of the Springs the engineer waved us over to the locomotives.  To my amazement he invited us up into the cab.  (picture my hottie wife climbing into the cab in short skirt)  He then explained the complete control system used to operate his mid train slaves.  After friendly railfan talk, (he was a foamer as well) we bid farewell.  I have no doubt that if I had been alone I may never have been invited up the the cab.

Sorry for the diversion, anyway I am wondering who in the Society is responsible for correcting the rosters???   When can it get done??  I guess technically Society being a CB&Q Historical Society and the fact there were no GP-38-2's ever on the CB&Q means they should not be included in the rosters at all since the FW&D outlived the Q.  The GP-40's should be removed from the roster since there were never any owned by the Q or C&S or FW&D.

Should there be separate C&S and FW&D rosters listed by the Society??

How would we best (or should we)reflect existence of the FW&D GP38-2's?

Thanks again for all those great responses and photos.

Bill








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