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I know that the Q often ran observation cars as substitutes for lounge cars, at least in the late 60's, and they were run round end forward so they could be accessed by passengers from the rest of the train. I wonder if that is what we are seeing here: an enlarged TCZ consist with the Parlor-diner Obs substituting for the buffet baggage car. Otherwise, as Hol Wagner says, owning only 10 dome coaches lettered Burlington (includes the 8 from the TCZ and 2 from the DZ), how could they have come up with
enough dome coaches to equip this consist, yet still protect the Dome Service on the TCZ? Also, I think they would have gone with pattern domes if the train was an excursion extra.
On Friday, September 12, 2014 5:16 PM, "rgortowski@aol.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hol,
I missed that. You should have the Baggage-Tavern head end in the standard consist in the early years - especially if you are doing a college holiday weekend run (you would have some baggage), so a special may be the reason.
Rich
-----Original Message----- From: Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> To: CB&Q Group <cbq@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 12, 2014 11:29 am Subject: RE: [CBQ] TCZ Photo ID Rich:
I know the 300s were used backwards as parlor cars on the Twins, and the extra domes could be an excursion (fall foliage tour seeming the most likely), but the absence of a head-end car bothers me; was that common on the Twins? Hol To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:50:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [CBQ] TCZ Photo ID Hol,
This is Savanna, IL - so it's the usual run for the consist. Two more domes than usual. The 300 series sometimes substituted when the dome obs were ailing, so it could be a return run. I agree, it's unusual to have all the extra cars - maybe a holiday move for colleges - but I doubt they would use domes rather than flat-top coaches...
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From: Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> To: CB&Q Group <cbq@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 12, 2014 9:38 am Subject: [CBQ] TCZ Photo ID Any of you east end guys care to offer an explanation of this photo being offered on eBay?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/208-40s-Railroad-Action-Burlington-Zephyr-Vtg-35mm-Kodachrome-Slide-Red-/141403823550?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20ec531dbe The seller says 1940s, based on the Kodak red border slide mount. With that many domes it's clearly an excursion run of some sort, presumably with the Twin's dome-parlor-obs on the rear and the 300-series dining-parlor-obs backwards up front so it could be on the rear on the return run (which would leave the dome seats facing backward). The truck skirts are gone from the E5, so it's at least very late 1940s or early 1950s. Kind of hard to remove this many cars from regular Twin service for an excursion, though. Fall foliage trip maybe? And I'm sure all of you will be able to tell me the location. Thanks! Hol __._,_.___ Posted by: Stephen Levine <sjl_prodigynet@yahoo.com> __,_._,___ |