FW: [CBQ] Re: Eola Coaling Towers/Sept 1960 Steam Excursion [1 Attachment]

["Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

Looking a bit more closely at the diagram, I had better correct what I said.  The "Retired 1942" notation appears to be in error, as the diagram plainly states that this chute was "Built 1942 by Company forces on old  coal chute foundations."  And the diagram of the old chute (built in 1905) carries the penciled notation "Old chute torn down 1942."  So it may well be that the chute in the photo in question is the Chariton chute; it will be up to those of you with the book to determine that.
 
Hol
 

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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:24:43 -0600
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Re: Eola Coaling Towers/Sept 1960 Steam Excursion [1 Attachment]

 

Here's the Q diagram sheet for the Chariton coal chute.  I don't have the book in question so can't say if this is the coal chute in question, but it doesn't seem likely as the penciled note indicates the chute was retired in 1942, shortly after this drawing was made.
 
Hol
 

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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:20:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Eola Coaling Towers/Sept 1960 Steam Excursion

 

Hello Seekers of Chariton Coal Chute info

Enroute to BRHS at RI Illinois I'll go via Chariton and "see what I can see"...maybe some visible footings or other indications.

I'll submit my findings when the investigation is complete

Pete

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From: LZadnichek@aol.com [CBQ] <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 16, 2014 11:56 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Eola Coaling Towers/Sept 1960 Steam Excursion

 

August 16, 2014

 

Bill - From the Lloyd Stager book "Burlington Route Steam Finale 1954 - 1966" on page 17, the 5632 reportedly powered the following fan trips in 1960:

 

May 1  Illini Railroad Club  Chicago - LaCrosse

 

May 28 - 29  Kansas City - St. Joseph - Cameron - Kansas City

 

June 4  Illini Railroad Club  Chicago - Lincoln (and diesels on to Denver)

 

June 12  Lincoln - Omaha - Lincoln

 

June 13  Illini Railroad Club  Lincoln - Chicago

 

July 2 - 4  Illini Railroad Club  Chicago - St. Paul - Chicago

 

July 9  Chicago - Savanna - Chicago

 

September 18  St. Paul - Winona - St. Paul  (train brought to North LaCrosse for turning/servicing)

 

October 8 - 9  Kansas City - St. Joseph - Cameron - Kansas City

 

December 4  Chicago - Galesburg - Chicago

 

Stager's list doesn't mention the August 27th NMRA trip you describe. ???

 

If Stager's list is accurate, then 5632 is shown at taking water next to the coal chute at Chariton, IA, on June 4, 1960. The mostly Zephyr car consist also would fit with an Illini Railroad Club Colorado Special.

 

Also, regarding the coal chute, notice where the rails no longer appear going into the shed where the coal was dumped onto the conveyor to be lifted into the bunker. I had first thought the rails had been pulled-up when the chute was retired.

 

But, on second thought, it looks like a well compacted road was entering the shed. Since coal mines were located to the south of Chariton, I wonder if coal was being delivered by truck from the mines by a local contractor, rather than by hopper car?

 

I agree the 5632 and train are on double track as you can see the second main by looking underneath the open-door baggage car. Interestingly, there is only one metal chute for coal hanging out over the track. Usually with double track, there would be two chutes with one being longer than the other to reach the further track.  I can make out the signal bridge in the far distance behind the train showing two signal masts.

 

In any event, the image in question is most certainly NOT of the Eola coal chute. The wood chute in question was a "small" one more suited for fueling the branch line power that was assigned to the Chariton roundhouse.  The Eola coal chute was larger as I remember. Best Regards - Louis

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL 

 

In a message dated 8/16/2014 8:41:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, CBQ@yahoogroups.com writes:

Leo,

According to my records, the only steam excursion that was operated in September, 1960 was O-5B 5632 on Sept. 18, 1960 from St. Paul to Winona, WI and return.  No. 5632 also operated a trip on Aug. 27, 1960, from Chicago - Aurora - Earlville as part of the NMRA convention in Chicago that year. The trip was sponsored by the NMRA and Kalmbach Publishing and included a tour of the Aurora Shops. No. 4960's only trips in that time frame were on July 31 and Dec. 18th. The July trip went to Ottawa and the Dec. trip went to Galesburg.

Looking at the photo in the Facilities book, I think the location and the date are both incorrect. The coal dock is obviously adjacent to a two track main line as indicated by the signal bridge in the background. Eola's yard coal dock was located on a hill side on the north of the yard and well away from the main line, which would have included three tracks in that area. In addition, the I believe th at the Eola coal dock was larger. Somewhere. I have photos of the Eola dock taken in the late 1950's or early '60s. 

Bill Barber

Gravois Mills, MO

On Aug 15, 2014, at 2:42 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Eola Coaling Towers/Sept 1960 Steam Excursion

Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:52 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Leo" leophillipp

Where did the Sept 1960 steam excursion operate ? Here's why I ask. 

On pg 42 of the new Q Facilities book is a photo reported to be one of the Eola coaling towers.
I don't think this is correct based on my first hand experience at Eola rdhse(see Zephyr 65) it is not the one near the rdhse.
I base that on the curvature of the track behind the tower,the paint and the ballast. Also I doubt anyone would bring a passenger train into the west yard and up to the house.

If this photo is of the one at Eola proper,at the east end of the yard,next to the main. Which is confirmed by the line drawing on the page,also an earlier issue of the same line drawing in my collection,and as well as info. supplied to me by "Bones" Mathers (Q Eola switchman) talking about spotting cars at the main line chute. Then I am troubled by the fact,that even using magnification, I can't see,the E.J.& E. And the signal bridge is clearly for two trks. Not three.

The curvature of the trk. behind the chute leads to me think this a wye or a branch line. 
It is not Rochelle as I checked the photo in Spoors first book of the Rochelle coal chute.
That eliminates the C&I. Leaving the mainline. 

Can any one say where the photo was taken ?
Leo Phillipp

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