RE: Re: [CBQ] Re: Oil on the Q in World War Two

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That Trains magazine article about CB&Q tank trains in the Wind River Canyon is on pages 24-28 of the July 1945 issues of Trains magazine.  The article notes that oil is being moved from Texas to the Pacific battlefront (via Pacific Northwest ports).  There is a 2-page photo leading off the article of a FT unit-led tank train, not in Wind River Canyon but in Sheep Canyon.

---In cbq@yahoogroups.com, <holpennywagner@...> wrote:

And there were certainly no environmental concerns about leaking oil.  In fact, a bit further back in time, around the turn of the 20th Century, many railroads -- the Q and C&S among them -- widely promoted the fact that they oiled their rights-of-way to reduce dust.
 
Hol
 

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To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: qutlx1@...
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 08:09:45 -0500
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Oil on the Q in World War Two

 

As to the UTLX fleet review I don't recall the exact year. However if my memory is correct those documents were deemed trash and ended up in my "take home" file. 

Like so many other amateur historians my collection is not very well organized so if I find the documents I'll post the date.

On tank cars leaking,you are correct they sure did. Today a leak of any kind is cause for repair. Back in the day things were different. I would imagine especially during the war.

On the riveted tanks of old the rivets were a frequent cause of leaks,I,ve been told caulking was a quick,down and dirty fix. The outlet valves,especially the old style controlled from the man way nozzle with a long rod were troublesome.

Don't recall any stories about oil leaks causing operating problems.

Leo Phillipp

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On Nov 1, 2013, at 2:39 AM, "Phillips, III, J.A." <whstlpnk@...> wrote:

 

All-

Thanks for the many replies. Some various follow-ups...

McGee and MtHS. Yep, when WRM disclosed his intention to donate, there was a lot of comment and help from NPRHA members about how-to, etc. The choice of MtHS was WRM's alone and now, years on, it isn't nearly as accessible as his contemporary's (Ronald V Nixon) at the Museum of the Rockies which is on the Web and searchable. (Oddly enough, I forgot to look at the Nixon collection -- he probably has a few shots of just what I'm looking for!) Anyway, it was a deeply personal choice that really won't pay off until somebody takes the entire MtHS by the scruff of the neck and gives it a good kick in the pants. There's the old saw about the HS using it's piece of the NP's Last Rail as a convenient doorstop. Anyway, to its credit, the NPRHA did take an assortment of WRM photos and put it together as a traveling road show as a temporary exhibit at museums. It came out to the White River Valley Museum in Auburn, Wash., but after that I am not sure where it went. Current whereabouts might be available at www.NPRHA.org.

Q tank car fleet -- dwarfed the NP's (I think they were well under 50), but sounds much like similar use -- company service only. Has the BRHS _Bulletin_ ever covered the Q and oil traffic, the Q's tank car fleet, or Q freight service during the World War Two period?

Q FTs... like the NP, they went into the trouble spots. (Actually, after delivery they broke in on the Badlands of North Dakota, a bad water bad grade territory which also served as a tax-dodge for the NP to get around Washington state sales tax [according to NP lore.]) Shortly after that they went to Stampede Pass to handle traffic through the tunnel. As ordered the NP skipped dynamic brakes, but after a tour of the ATSF FTs they went back and reordered with dynamics. Does anyone know if the Q ordered with dynamics off the bat, or went joyriding with the Santa Fe guys before being convinced?

Private car service survey -- that's very interesting! Do you recall what year this was, or if it was an effort just before the US entry into World War Two? I seem to recall Robert Aldag made a comment at a Lexington Group meeting many years ago that management on the Erie clearly saw what was coming and went out to their dead lines to get every teakettle, velocipede or serviceable ball bearing ready for the crush of war traffic they knew would soon come their way. (Pretty good thinking -- did Q management gaze into the crystal ball with the same clarity?) I had the chance to ask a GN officers who was on the railway just before World War Two and he said flatly no, the GN didn't get ahead of the curve as the Erie did. (I don't know that the NP did, either.)

Thanks for the replies!
John Phillips
Seattle

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