Re: [CBQ] Re: Oil on the Q in World War Two

[Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com]

I recall some of the old head engineers talking of how difficult it was to handle tank cars of oil, because of the surging...In addition to getting the train stopped....sometimes it didn't want to "STAY STOPPED" because of the oil surging back and forth..It could literally cause the entire train to move after it was stopped.

Pete

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From: Leo <qutlx1@aol.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 7:44 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Oil on the Q in World War Two

 

Thanks for the opening Bill,

Around 2000 UTLX moved from 111 W Jackson Blvd to 175 W,  I and another mgr spent a Sunday morning sorting,reviewing and determining what was to move to the new location and what was to be trashed from the fleet mgmt files. There were a few files discussing the pre WWII program to inspect every car in storage to determine if it was feasible to put it back in service.

I recall being amazed at the number of 3-6,000 gallon cars deemed within reason to repair and return to service. If I'm thinking correctly the typical tank truck of today has 8,000 gallon capacity. 

Another story that comes to mind is the Rip Repetto,Q Condr of renown, of how during the war eastbound crews would try to stop at Congress Park,IL set out oil trains on the south wye to the IHB and couldn't get stopped due to the downhill grade of the oil in the tanks still pushing eastward.< /div>

Leo Phillipp

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On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:58 PM, William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com> wrote:

 

John,

I recalling seeing a photo in a very old "Trains Magazine" of a solid tank car train on the Q. As I remember, it was pulled by FTs and the photo was taken somewhere on the Wind River line. As far as tank car ownership, back in WWII as it is now, most of the tank cars were private owner, primarily GATX and UTLX. I don't know how the WPB restrictions applied to them, but I assume that every available tank car was pressed into shipment of oil and oil products for the war effort. 

Bill Barber

Gravois Mills, MO

On Oct 31, 2013, at 4:31 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Oil on the Q in World War Two

Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Phillips, III, J.A." whstlpnk

All-

Another NPR report today on oil companies moving oil by rail as they can't get the Keystone XL pipe line built had me thinking about the NP's dedicated oil trains to support the war in the Pacific during WWII. Does anyone know the details (or has an article been written) on dedicated oil trains on the Q during WWII? Presume FWD-KC-Laurel, but anything is possibl e.

As an addendum to the above, the NP's tank car fleet was just about nil in 1940 (just a handful for company service). Does anyone know how many tank cars the Q rostered in 1940 and then in 1945? With the War Production Board clamping down on who got what for the duration, I would like to know if they allocated any materials for tank car construction (as tankers were quickly taken up in war service and withdrawn from coastal/Gulf public trade).

RSVP
John Phillips
Seattle

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