Re: [CBQ] Re: Oil on the Q in World War Two

[Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com]

I have one other place to look...There was a "magazine" type publication that Kalmbach did quite a few years ago...

I'll try to remember to do some looking next week when I return from Mendota...It's too late to begin rummaging tonight.

Pete

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From: LZadnichek <LZadnichek@aol.com>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Oil on the Q in World War Two

 

October 31, 2013

 

All - I've seen the same photo and it shows, as I recall, four new FT motors with a solid train of tank cars in the Wind River Canyon during World War Two. When the Q decided to dieselize, Lines West was targeted first. The Wyoming lines were a priority due to the lack of potable/boiler water that resulted in expensive-to-operate water treatment plants being located in most terminals and at rural water plugs or tanks. I vaguely remember the Q being able to obtain the hard-to-get FTs from EMD by certifying to the Government they were badly needed to power priority oil trains through bad water areas. Much like the Santa Fe did in acquiring their World War Two fleet of FTs that replaced most steam across the badlands of Arizona and New Mexico. Of course, the FTs did a wonderful job on the Casper Division and spelled the end for the Class O-4 2-8-2's by the early 1950s when they were bumped to Lincoln and Hastings, NE. A number of them were later sold to the C&S where they ran out their last miles in the late 1950s on sugar beet extras. If any one can locate the image we're all talking about may be the reporting marks on the tank cars can be identified. Best Regards - Louis

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL       

 

In a message dated 10/31/2013 5:22:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com writes:

Well believe it or not I was wrong about what I remembered....I went down and found the album..It was put out by Kalmbach and there is one Wind River Canyon photo, but it's a steam powered freight train..

Once again..sometimes my memory is so good that it remembers places that never were and things that never happened.

Pete

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Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 5:14 pm
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Bill et al

I think that the photo you are referrencing is in that oversize photo album..maybe put out by Kalmbach...the stuff was vintage 1940-s early 50's...I have it someplace and will try to find it when I return from the BRHS annual meet.

Pete

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From: William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 2:58 pm
Subject: [CBQ] Re: Oil on the Q in World War Two

 

John,

I recalling seeing a photo in a very old "Trains Magazine" of a solid tank car train on the Q. As I remember, it was pulled by FTs and the photo was taken somewhere on the Wind River line. As far as tank car ownership, back in WWII as it is now, most of the tank cars were private owner, primarily GATX and UTLX. I don't know how the WPB restrictions applied to them, but I assume that every available tank car was pressed into shipment of oil and oil products for the war effort. 

Bill Barber

Gravois Mills, MO

On Oct 31, 2013, at 4:31 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Oil on the Q in World War Two

Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Phillips, III, J.A." whstlpnk

All-

Another NPR report today on oil companies moving oil by rail as they can't get the Keystone XL pipe line built had me thinking about the NP's dedicated oil trains to support the war in the Pacific during WWII. Does anyone know the details (or has an article been written) on dedicated oil trains on the Q during WWII? Presume FWD-KC-Laurel, but anything is possibl e.

As an addendum to the above, the NP's tank car fleet was just about nil in 1940 (just a handful for company service). Does anyone know how many tank cars the Q rostered in 1940 and then in 1945? With the War Production Board clamping down on who got what for the duration, I would like to know if they allocated any materials for tank car construction (as tankers were quickly taken up in war service and withdrawn from coastal/Gulf public trade).

RSVP
John Phillips
Seattle

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