Re: [CBQ] St Joe Zephyr?

[Bill Hirt <whirt@sbcglobal.net>]

There are several confusing things about the picture. The presence of a searchlight signal might indicate a CTC-installation. St Joseph Division Employee Timetable effective June 15 1947 shows CTC was in effect between Block 36 (just north of Weston and at 36.24) and cross-over Armour (MP 43.45) . However double track was only shown for this CTC portion between MP 41.89 (south of Armour) and cross-over Armour. The signal is a single aspect, so it would not be with the cross-over. The 1960s track charts do not show the leg of the Atchison wye being like what is shown in the picture.  Train #21 was scheduled to pass block 36 at 4:39 pm and stop at Armour at 4:48 pm. There was still connecting train service at the time between Armour and Atchison.  The position of the bluffs looks in the right position for Armour. Armour is also in extreme south Buchanan county which is the county St Joe is in. The stacks could be that of the Leavenworth power and water utility 15-20 miles away on a summer day.

Now looking longer at the picture, it also could be curve between Waldron and Farley. This view would be looking south towards where current day Missouri 45 comes down out of the bluffs in the bottoms. As Pete noted there is more vegetation there today, the highway is now further away from the bluffs and closer to the tracks, and the embankment for the tracks has been raised several times due to Missouri River floods. The stacks could be a Kansas City Kansas power plant, but I don't think they were that far west or existed in the era of the picture. Another part that does not fit is the track coming into the southbound main track on the right side of the picture.

So considering the alternates my best current guess would be just south of Armour.

Bill Hirt

On 8/30/2013 9:23 AM, Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com wrote:

You could be right Tom...BUT I keep thinking about too much room between the tracks and the bluff????

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Parisoff <bn2310@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:44 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] St Joe Zephyr?

 

Could also be taken in St. Joseph, Mo., from the McArthur Rd. bridge.  Could that be Quaker Oats in the top right-ish background?  

Tom Parisoff

Boylston, MA

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On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:06 PM, Tom Parisoff <bn2310@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Pete and Archie,

How about either north of Parkville or around Waldron, Mo.?

Tom Parisoff

Boylston, MA

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On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com wrote:

 

Archie

It's a northbound train...Probably Silver Streak Zephyr  No. 21...due out of KC  4:00pm...shadows look right for this..

Too much room between tracks and bluffs for north of St. Joe has to be between KC & St. J...maybe Armour... East Leavenworth etc..between KC and St. J.  

Power and train size look right for "late 40's...Engine Silver King..Queen etc...Definitely not Silver Charger...Early 40's would have been an E3 5 or so.  I have picture late 40's train 21 at Langdon with "Shovel nose like this one.  

Not much help, but I had to put in my 1 Cent

Pete

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Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:06 pm
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List, I found a picture of a Zephyr in an old late 40s tourism booklet for the St Joe area of Missouri.  Can anyone ID the site?  Seems to be a switch or junction behind the train.

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