How do E-5s factor into all of this? From what I know they were used in
commuter service early on but not frequently. How long would they have been in
suburban service? Did they run with the galley and power cars?
Brian Durham
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Jpslhedgpeth@... wrote:
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>
> Leo et al...That's the problem that all us old guys have anymore...Aiin't
> nobody who knows NOTHIN" about how it used to be and there's nobody left to
> ask.
>
> I don't really consider myself old, but I've got 1956 seniority and a lot of
> memories back to the early 40's which I can document as being correct...Is
> there anybody on here who predates that????
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chuck.zeiler <czeiler@...>
> To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:25 pm
> Subject: [CBQ] Re: Power Car On East End On Dinky
>
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>
> I received the following from Leo Phillips regarding the E-units set up to
> power gallery cars:
>
> As is often the case; I was looking for something totally different but
> stumbled on a 12/22/65 memo listing the E units set up for powering the
> gallery cars:
>
> Two car service
>
> 9937B
> 9938B
> 9941B
> 9945A
> 9946B
> 9948A
> 9948B
> 9971-74
> 9976
>
> One car service
> 9946A
>
> The memo or notice goes on to explain the Maximum # of gallery cars to hook
> to the 7200 hundred series power car (5) and the 7300 series (8) to get
> either to a 7 or 10 car consist with these particular engines. Notice also
> states one copy is to be placed in each power car under glass with out fail.
>
> I sure wish some of the old Aurora/Eola switchman I worked with were still
> around to tell us why some power cars ended up on the east end of these small
> consists
>
> Leo Phillipp
>
> --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Vlk" wrote:
> >
> > I'm leaving the material below attached so this can be put into previous
> > message context:
> >
> >
> >
> > I recall a discussion at one of the annual meets (with the late Bat
> > Masterson???) about the transition on the E7s not being set up as well for
> > acceleration of the commuter trains. The Q had a modified control wiring
> > arrangement which gave the units more "spunk" that EMD did not approve of
> > and I disremember the technical terms. Acceleration from stops is why the
> > E7s and EA shovelnoses were not employed for commuter service as soon as
> > enough E8s and E9s were available in the pool to provide coverage.
> >
> > Also, I don't think all the E8 and E9s were set up for powering small trains
> > without a power car...field taps???..... I seem to remember that only
> > specific units were set up for this service.
> >
> >
> >
> > Charlie Vlk
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck and Hol,
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck, your photos were taken in May and June of 1965 which is about the
> > time that the 790 series cab gallery cars were introduced. Practices were
> > changing at that time. In general, the power car was on the west end, but
> > for the short mid day trains, it was probably not considered as important.
> > There were, only five or six 7200 series power cars, which had been rebuilt
> > from the old 7000 series open platform cars. All of the rest of the power
> > cars in the 7300 series were rebuilt from 6100 series six wheel truck main
> > line passenger cars; two combines and the rest were full coaches. I don't
> > know for certain, but I believe the gen sets in the 7200 cars may have been
> > smaller (lighter) and maybe less obnoxious? In any case, on a two car train,
> > whether the power car was in front of or behind the other gallery car,
> > probably didn't make much difference in terms of smoke and fumes that the
> > few mid day passengers would encounter in Union Station.
> >
> >
> >
> > The E8s and E9s were set up so that they could power mid day two car
> > commuter trains without the use of a head end power car. The 74 volt DC
> > auxiliary generators on the locomotives had sufficient power to handle the
> > cars. Here is a link that provides a typical example.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1259393
> >
> >
> >
> > As for E7s on commuter trains, after the arrival of the E8s and later E9s,
> > the E7s were seldom use in commuter service except occasionally on smaller
> > trains as shown in Chuck's photos. The E7s, of course, were used in commuter
> > service in the late 40s and early 50s, but as more E8s were delivered, they
> > were preferred because they accelerated the longer heavier trains better
> > and, therefore, could maintain the schedules more effectively. While the E8s
> > and later, the E9s had a little more horsepower, that was only part of the
> > story. The E7s were equipped with a 52:25 gear ratio which permitted 117 mph
> > operation, but decreased low speed performance (like trying to start a
> > automobile in 2nd or 3rd gear). (The 52:25 GR had a minimum continuous speed
> > of only 40 mph. Some Q E7s were later converted to 55:22 GR which provided a
> > max. speed of 97 mph.) TheQ E8s and E9s, on the other hand, were originally
> > equipped with 55:22 GR originally which had a maximum speed of 98 mph and
> > minimum continuous speed of 30 mph on the E8 and 33 mph on the E9. Some Q
> > E8s were later re equipped with 57:20 GR that reduced the maximum speed to
> > 85 mph and lower the min. cont. speed to 26 mph.
> >
> >
> >
> > The lower GRs on the E8s and E9s and the minor increase in HP, gave them a
> > better ability to quickly accelerate the full nine car commuter trains. I
> > doubt that an E7, particularly with the 52:25 GR could maintain the schedule
> > with a full size rush hour train.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Barber
> >
> > Gravois Mills, MO
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:54 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
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> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CBQ/message/43220%3b_ylc=X3oDMTJwY3A4bmM1BF9T
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> >
> > Fri Mar 1, 2013 12:10 pm (PST) . Posted by:
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> %20On%20Dinky> "chuck.zeiler" chuck.zeiler
> >
> >
> > Hello, I have posted a couple photos at another site that show the power
> > cars on the east end of a Dinky. This is somewhat unusual as the power
> > cars were typically on the west end, presumably to keep the noise and
> > fumes away from boarding passengers in Union Station. The question is:
> > Why were the power cars turned around? If this question has already
> > been answered, please direct me to that answer, thanks.
> > Photo 1 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1082897>
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> > Photo 2 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3316121>
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> > Photo 3 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3394286>
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> > Fri Mar 1, 2013 2:49 pm (PST) . Posted by:
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> %20On%20Dinky> "HOL WAGNER" fhw632
> >
> >
> >
> > Isn't it pretty unusual to see E7s in suburban service, too? As a far Lines
> > West guy, I've always thought the E7s were not regularly used on suburban
> > trains.
> >
> > Hol
> >
> >
> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> > From: czeiler@
> > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 17:33:42 +0000
> > Subject: [CBQ] Power Car On East End On Dinky
> >
> > Hello, I have posted a couple photos at another site that show the power
> > cars on the east end of a Dinky. This is somewhat unusual as the power cars
> > were typically on the west end, presumably to keep the noise and fumes away
> > from boarding passengers in Union Station. The question is: Why were the
> > power cars turned around? If this question has already been answered, please
> > direct me to that answer, thanks.
> > Photo 1
> > Photo 2
> > Photo 3
> >
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