Jon
A couple of us are having a long winded off list discussion on this subject. Part of what I've said is neither the O/T,83,81 or the p/u would have worked the sand plant for a number of reasons. The big one being what do you do with an 80-100 car train while you couple up 20 to 40 cars,make the air,etc w/o blocking the main.
I don't believe the o/t would either as the main reason for its existence was to get that printed material to Aurora. Also the sand plant is west of "Oregon" so for the o/t to run out there beyond its "advertised limits" would generate a 100 mile time slip.
Leo
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Hello everyone,
This is great information. I have been researching this train as well, from some of the same sources. Also Leo has given a great insight as well in previous posts. I would like to add some information that I have discovered:
In the mid-60s, the Blackhawk #47 would sometimes drop off empty "Geeps" and/or baggage cars for Kable as well as pick-up if there was any traffic west that had not been handled by 81. The Oregon Turn would shoot for the 6:20PM Dinky #154 back to CUS. I am guessing that the cut for the Dinky would be behind the waycar or the combine for an easy drop in Aurora. The Mt. Morris job was train #45 and #46, from what I understand the switch engine that was assigned to Oregon would do the short work in town and at National Silica, run up to Mt. Morris to switch Kable and then run back to meet the OT. Or did 81 switch National Silica? Train 81 would go up to R
ockford on Sundays to pick-up/setup work from the weekend.
This information comes from Dan Holbrook (Rip Repetto's Son-in-Law), the 1965 Index of Time Freights and the 1968 Operating Data Sheets. Obviously, if there is anything incorrect please do not hesitate to correct!
It is really cool to see some conversation about the jobs on the C&I!
Jon
Leo and Bob
The only Train Sheet I can find is Tuesday April 16, 1968
The 209 was on the OTX(Oregon Turn) with just a waycar out of Aurora and worked at Rochelle 1205-325PM in to Oregon at 410 PM
The Oregon Job had the 259 on duty at 1030 AM and went to Mt. Morris at 2 PM with 7-1-280 returned at 535 PM with 4-7-410 with the Oregon Turn departing at 547 with 4-10-440 and worked at Aurora 704-759PM
81 shows out of Aurora at 217AM with 39-37-2500 working Rochelle 310-340 and into Savanna at 614 AM with 39-27-3512 Motors 965, 187,638,218 I am going to suggest the 218 got set out at Rochelle. 81 shows departing Savanna at 1020 AM with motor 965 and 187 80-49-6917 Into No Lax (CX)230 with 81-39-6937 and shows tied up CX as the 81 of previous day had departed CX at 142 AM
69-69-6830 E Winona 217-255 and into Division St. St Paul at 555AM with 58-75-6432
83 chased 81 out of Aurora at 733 AM motors 915, 620, 934, loading of 33-87-4777 no work and into JO at 1007 out with same motors at 1105 AM with 42-93-5432 and worked at PDC into CX at 338AM with 45-93-5561 And again the previous days 83 had chased 81 out of CX at 232 AM with no work in to St. Paul arriving on his tail at 615 AM
Many other sheets in the files with at least two written up and filed somewhere in the Bulletin Files??
Did manage to get all the sheets for a April 1965 4960 run, Both East End, Mainline, Around the Horn and Pea Vine(and a normal Pea Vine to show how the RR was shut down for the move)
Steve in SC
From: "herrick@krausonline.com" <herrick@krausonline.com>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 27, 2012 3:40:07 PM
Subject: [CBQ] Re: Oregon Part Two
Leo,
I see the reference to PU in the '62 ETT--the eyes skipped right over it. Thanks.
One other question about your OS sheets--do they indicate the power on the Oregon Turn? A late photo in Spoor's Vol. 2 shows a Geep, but I wonder whether the TR2s ever held this assignment prior to the Geeps.
Bob Herrick
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, qutlx1@... wrote:
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> Bob
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> I never noticed the change between 81/83 before so I went into my full ETT collection and while its certainly not complete with every year here is what I found. From at least 1934 until 1954 # 83 is the Rockford and Savanna mdse with 81 as the St Paul mdse. as you noted starting in '55 they change duties and 81 is noted as the Rockford & Savanna mdse w/f until the late 60s when these references are deleted from the ETT. The old saying you learn something everyday is true.
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> Also starting in 1962 there is a notation of the P/U leaving SV at 12:01am
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> The o.s sheets only have one reference to 81 on 10/31/51 arriving at 11:45pm with engine #159. There is also only one sighting of the p/u at 10:59am on 12/20/51 w/unit #107.
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> Finally as you noted I reverted back to using station call letters to save key strokes. HY was the operator call at Cicero. I thought these were shown in the ETTs but find that isn't the case.
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> Where did I use to see them listed ?
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> Leo
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:47 PM, herrick@... wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Leo,
> >
> > The ETT I have is dated January 31, 1954 and it lists (as information only) three west-bound numbered freights and two east-bound. At that time 83 was the daily except Saturday Rockford and Savanna way freight and 81 was listed as a daily St. Paul mdse. so the railroad made some changes between this ETT and the one you have. The next ETT I have is dated October 28, 1962 and it conforms to yours, but calls 81 the daily except Saturday Rockford and Savanna way freight. RR was consistent in describing 83 as doing no local work east of Rochelle, but setting out and picking up at Rochelle and Oregon.
> >
> > Do your OS sheets identify the power on 81? Also, could you explain what HY was code for?
> >
> > Thanks, Leo, for all of this information.
> >
> > Bob Herrick
> >
> > --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, qutlx1@ wrote:
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> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > I referenced a set of West Eola tower OS sheets that Russ Stroud sent me
> > > several years back( I hope the BRHS members will see these in detail in a
> > > future bulletin) as part of another subject. Here is info from them on #83:
> > >
> > > 6/19/51 arr 8:52PM dept 10:59PM w/#133
> > > 12/20/51 arr 10:40PM dept 12:01 AM w/#169
> > > 10/30/51 arr 10:08PM dept 11:38PM w #168
> > >
> > > I should also point out that #83,due out of HY at 6:40PM, is shown in ETT
> > > #43 of 4/24/55 as the St Paul mdse train. I believe the train that you're
> > > looking for and that did all the intermediate work is #81 which operated
> > > about 4 hours behind #83 due out of HY at 10:00PM and not due into SV until
> > > 4:00AM.
> > >
> > > The pick up operated as an extra and I can find no ETT reference to it in
> > > the carded trains or the footnotes. From all the stories I recall being told
> > > it operated each nite and was pretty much an all nighter(16 hours).
> > >
> > > As to cars movements I can only share what I saw in the 70s. Sand went
> > > mostly east to heavy industry,foundry,and a bit unusual a lot of it went to
> > > various companies like Proctor and Gamble,etc. A few cars went west. There
> > > would be mty newsprint cars going both east and west. I cant answer the part
> > > about Carnation other than to say I have been told there were inbound loads
> > > of cans from a Carnation can plant near Milwaukee. Also before the advent
> > > of the insulated boxcars (RBLs) the carnation product moved in reefers.
> > >
> > > Leo Phillipp
> > >
> >
> >
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