Leo,
I see the reference to PU in the '62 ETT--the eyes skipped right over it. Thanks.
One other question about your OS sheets--do they indicate the power on the Oregon Turn? A late photo in Spoor's Vol. 2 shows a Geep, but I wonder whether the TR2s ever held this assignment prior to the Geeps.
Bob Herrick
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> Bob
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> I never noticed the change between 81/83 before so I went into my full ETT collection and while its certainly not complete with every year here is what I found. From at least 1934 until 1954 # 83 is the Rockford and Savanna mdse with 81 as the St Paul mdse. as you noted starting in '55 they change duties and 81 is noted as the Rockford & Savanna mdse w/f until the late 60s when these references are deleted from the ETT. The old saying you learn something everyday is true.
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> Also starting in 1962 there is a notation of the P/U leaving SV at 12:01am
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> The o.s sheets only have one reference to 81 on 10/31/51 arriving at 11:45pm with engine #159. There is also only one sighting of the p/u at 10:59am on 12/20/51 w/unit #107.
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> Finally as you noted I reverted back to using station call letters to save key strokes. HY was the operator call at Cicero. I thought these were shown in the ETTs but find that isn't the case.
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> Where did I use to see them listed ?
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> Leo
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> On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:47 PM, herrick@... wrote:
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> > Leo,
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> > The ETT I have is dated January 31, 1954 and it lists (as information only) three west-bound numbered freights and two east-bound. At that time 83 was the daily except Saturday Rockford and Savanna way freight and 81 was listed as a daily St. Paul mdse. so the railroad made some changes between this ETT and the one you have. The next ETT I have is dated October 28, 1962 and it conforms to yours, but calls 81 the daily except Saturday Rockford and Savanna way freight. RR was consistent in describing 83 as doing no local work east of Rochelle, but setting out and picking up at Rochelle and Oregon.
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> > Do your OS sheets identify the power on 81? Also, could you explain what HY was code for?
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> > Thanks, Leo, for all of this information.
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> > Bob Herrick
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> > --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, qutlx1@ wrote:
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> > > Bob,
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> > > I referenced a set of West Eola tower OS sheets that Russ Stroud sent me
> > > several years back( I hope the BRHS members will see these in detail in a
> > > future bulletin) as part of another subject. Here is info from them on #83:
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> > > 6/19/51 arr 8:52PM dept 10:59PM w/#133
> > > 12/20/51 arr 10:40PM dept 12:01 AM w/#169
> > > 10/30/51 arr 10:08PM dept 11:38PM w #168
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> > > I should also point out that #83,due out of HY at 6:40PM, is shown in ETT
> > > #43 of 4/24/55 as the St Paul mdse train. I believe the train that you're
> > > looking for and that did all the intermediate work is #81 which operated
> > > about 4 hours behind #83 due out of HY at 10:00PM and not due into SV until
> > > 4:00AM.
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> > > The pick up operated as an extra and I can find no ETT reference to it in
> > > the carded trains or the footnotes. From all the stories I recall being told
> > > it operated each nite and was pretty much an all nighter(16 hours).
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> > > As to cars movements I can only share what I saw in the 70s. Sand went
> > > mostly east to heavy industry,foundry,and a bit unusual a lot of it went to
> > > various companies like Proctor and Gamble,etc. A few cars went west. There
> > > would be mty newsprint cars going both east and west. I cant answer the part
> > > about Carnation other than to say I have been told there were inbound loads
> > > of cans from a Carnation can plant near Milwaukee. Also before the advent
> > > of the insulated boxcars (RBLs) the carnation product moved in reefers.
> > >
> > > Leo Phillipp
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