RE: [CBQ] Chicago-Denver

[Bob Webber <rgz17@comcast.net>]

Richard, thanks!  I haven't looked at the book for a while, it's good to refresh.  Will have to re-read it soon.  (BTW, not always the easiest book to locate - but It also looks like I have to get the newer book, my edition has 110 pages)

The question is still there though, if the newspaper didn't write about the diner, was it not available when the train started up?  Does the timetable specifically mention dining cars, or does it mention dining service (it looks like the former from your note)?  The use of "Library" in the description is interesting as it is one function of the buffet-baggage-library-smoking car, so I wonder if dining was then too. 

B&S & Aurora did build earlier diners, but the dates (1884-1892 for the Aurora built) and 1886 (for the B&S built) still is an issue, as wood cars typically survived in first class service (as built) 5-10 years.  And, given this was a "new" train, the cars would have had to be extensively rebuilt (since they stayed around into the late teens, it's my guess they were rebuilt a few times).   These were all still all-wood cars, and the demands to the frames would have been fairly extensive.  Too, most cars would be SUFed or SUVed by the teens.  And you wouldn't want a wood frame diner in the middle of steel cars (coming into play in the early teens on the Burlington. 

So the question is - which diners were used?  10 year old cars?   BM&R route city names would seem to indicate it's a possibility-  given CHICAGO, DENVER, SAN FRANCISCO.  But if we need 5 dienrs, that becomes more interesting.   With both #1 & #3 (and counterparts, that possibly is 8 or even 10 diners.   That's uses up all the Aurora built cars.   And the B&S cars looked to be more for other lines.  

Unfortunately, we have no complete B&S Lot list to delve into. 



At 02:35 PM 12/28/2012, you wrote:

Bob - CB&Q October 1899 public tt lists No. 1 Denver Special, with
sleeping, dining, library and chair cars Chicago-Denver. And No. 3
Denver Limited, with sleeping, dining and chair cars Chicago-Denver as
were their eastbound counterparts.

In my book, the 4th edition of HIGH PLAINS ROUTE, a classic 192 page
hard bound book covering the history of the former CB&Q McCook Division,
it mentions prior to dining car service railroad owned eating houses
were provided at Red Cloud, Holdrege, Oxford, McCook and Akron. The book
also has excellent photos of the early day passenger trains: No. 1, the
Denver Special stopped at Holdrege circa 1901, behind B&MR 4-6-0 No. 27
is a mail car, baggage and combine ahead of the passenger cars. Since
the first edition of HIGH PLAINS ROUTE in 1986, I figured every CB&Q fan
had purchased a copy.  Bill Glick's BURLINGTON PASSENGER CAR PHOTO ALBUM
published 2007 offers ample coverage of the cars and trains.

- Richard Kistler


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