Re: [CBQ] Re: Chicago transfers

["John D. Mitchell, Jr." <cbqrr47@yahoo.com>]

On the old Beardstown Division, crews had to take rules exams on the CB&Q, Alton (later GM&O), NYC, C&EI, B&O and IC (for the P&I), in addition they had to carry Hannibal Division timetables and special instructions when operating into North St. Louis. Bulletins for all these roads were posted at the Centralia yard office.

From: "dhartman@mchsi.com" <dhartman@mchsi.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Chicago transfers

 

Leo, I always had a pilot when doing a transfer (unit coal train delivery) beyond Clyde. Did that change for Aurora crews after early 1980's?

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From: William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com>

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:20:15 -0500

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Subject: [CBQ] Re: Chicago transfers

 

Leo,

I don't know how it was then in Chicago, but even today, crews regularly operate on the trackage of other railroads, both for interchange and road operation. To the best of my knowledge, they don't take specific tests for other RRs' rules, but they are required to know the other RR's rules and to follow them when operating on "foreign" trackage. My son works as an engineer on the U.P. out of KC and he regularly operates U.P. trains on other RRs, both yard and road, including BNSF, KCS and the KC Terminal. Many southbound U.P. trains leave KC on BNSF tracks to Paola, KS and all trains operating past Union Station, are on KC Terminal trackage. When operating on another RR, that RR's rules apply and the crews must know those rules. However, when he takes a rules test, they are U.P. rules. 

I am sure that the same applied and still applies in Chicago. It might be a little easier, today, with a few less RRs, but a transfer across Chicago probably involves operation on several different RRs' rails. On each RR, they must know the rules that apply, but I am not aware that crews were ever required to take a test specifically on another RR's rules. In addition, they also have to be able to pick up that RR's radio signals and communicate with their personnel. 

Bill Barber

Gravois Mills, MO

On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:28 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

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Chicago transfers

Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"qutlx1@aol.com" leophillipp

Every operating employee working in/out of Chicago Union Station was 
required to pass its' book of rules and remain qualified to work on their 
property in addition to his home roads rules.

Did all the many crews working in transfer service have to be qualified 
and re-examined on the various roads they could be called to run across ? 
Imagine an extra board engineman or switchman who from day to day might work 
on any number of freight transfers or at 14th st and run over to another 
road/station to get mail or express cars. Did they also then need to be 
qualified on the other stations book of rules ? Seems one would be in rules 
classes a lot of the time.

Anybody have any insight into how this worked ?

This came to mind after looking at a photo of Bill Shoeners dad in the cab 
of # 540 the other night. I know strange minds....... ......... ....

Leo Phillipp

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