Re: [CBQ] Waycar Brake Whistles

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Dave  

 

Don't put things like  "60 years ago" out for publication...Why it was only yesterday I saw those trains like PZ and MTZ running and carrying passengers.

 

Pete

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Lotz <Dave_Lotz@bellsouth.net>
To: CBQ <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 21, 2012 8:12 am
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Waycar Brake Whistles [1 Attachment]

 

[Attachment(s) from Dave Lotz included below]



Hi Bill,

 

There are several things to take into account here.  The obvious cut that can be seen is the road down to the landing and boat house.  From my recollections of exploring year ago, the roadbed for the wye was to the north of the road, as I have marked in yellow.  Remember that the wye has been gone for almost 60 years and the trees are so large, you can't even see the small lake.  The cut in the trees to the north of where I have marked is due to the bluff curving into the ravine.  I don't think the mainline right of way has changed much since it was originally laid in 1869.

 

I forgot to attach the alignment chart for this segment of track, which does show Cascade at MP 219.

 

Dave

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bill Ewinger
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:07 PM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Waycar Brake Whistles

 

Dave

 

when you blow that picture up four or fivr times there is a different cut through the trees coming from the tracks going to the south side of cascade bridge is this the actual old right way?

 

Bill Ewinger

--- On Wed, 6/20/12, Duncan Cameron <d.cameron@sympatico.ca> wrote:

From: Duncan Cameron <d.cameron@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Waycar Brake Whistles
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2012, 4:18 PM

 

Thanks for the images Dave!

Never an end to what you can learn.

Duncan

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Lotz

To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:13 AM

Subject: RE: [CBQ] Waycar Brake Whistles [3 Attachments]

 

Duncan,

 

Cascade, or Cascade Landing as it is known in Burlington, is at the end of a ravine that ends with a small, cascading waterfall, hence the name.  Before the MTZ was placed into service, the Q had to figure out how to turn the MTZ at Burlington for its return trip to STL.  There is not enough real estate near the depot, nor anywhere else in the downtown area for a wye because of the surrounding hills.  There was an existing wye at the West Burlington shops, but taking the train set there would have taken too much time.  Someone figured out that this ravine, about a mile and a half south of the depot, was deep enough, and wide enough that a wye could be constructed there.  Attached is a photo that Hank Kuepper took of the MTZ being turned on the wye.  BB23 has another showing the Pioneer Zephyr being turned here also.   I would assume that the 9902 would have also used the wye when running from Chicago to Hannibal via Burlington.

 

I've also attached images showing the location in relationship to the depot and bridge, and another showing where I believe the tracks used to be.

 

http://tinyurl.com/7uswpos

 

Dave

 

-----Original Message-----
From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Duncan Cameron
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:49 AM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Waycar Brake Whistles

 

Okay, have to ask: where is Cascade?  Not a name I can remember hearing before.

Duncan

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenneth Martin

To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:10 AM

Subject: Re: [CBQ] Waycar Brake Whistles

 

Closer to a mile and a half.

Ken Martin

On Jun 19, 2012, at 8:30 PM, archie hayden wrote:

After the Mark Twain Zephyr was turned at Cascade they made a backup move from there to the stub track just west of the two mains on the south end of the depot.  There were two stub tracks there and the brakeman was supposed to stop the train before bumping the bumping post.  One time it didn't quite get stopped in time and the tail end suffered a dent right beside Mark Twain's face.  He never heard the last of that move.  That back up move was probably over a mile.  Archie

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