Re: [CBQ] H&StJ at Hannibal (was re. M.E.Hagen)

[Lindsey Fowler <lindsey_m_fowler@yahoo.com>]

You Know Glen..I think your right.. I was in Hannibal up to '72..so I bet I got them confused.. I'd like to get back up that way and walk the H&StJo roadbed..maybe find a spike or some sort of artifact.... Archie Should Mister Hagen's years of reign over the HD.. Also keep in mind I was just a little girl back then, so between too much sugar and spice... my memory is most likely off centered as well..

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From: "John D. Mitchell, Jr." <cbqrr47@yahoo.com>
To: "CBQ@yahoogroups.com" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] H&StJ at Hannibal (was re. M.E.Hagen)

 

Mr. Toland was superintendent for several years following the merger. A couple of years after he retired (in about 1975), the then new junction between the BN and Penn Central north of Centralia was named "Toland".

From: GLEN HAUG <glenehaug@msn.com>
To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [CBQ] H&StJ at Hannibal (was re. M.E.Hagen)

 

Lindsey:
 
If you are around Hannibal, you can still walk some of the old H&StJ main.  At the west end of Collier Street, west of where the track would have crossed Lindell Avenue (about where present Warren Barrett Drive is), you can still see two steel bridges.  The first crosses over Minnow Creek and the second over Bear Creek.  Less than a mile west there is a third steel bridge, again over Bear Creek.  All of these bridges can be seen from Market Street.  I have walked the R/W here, and have seen many other people doing it too, but frankly I can't tell you if it is public R/W or privately owned.  There was a fourth steel bridge at Oakwood, again over Bear Creek, but I believe it is gone, replaced with a city street and vehicular bridge.  It would have been directly north of the Wabash (now NS) bridge.
 
Regarding Hagen, I don't believe he was in Hannibal in the 60's, as he was from the NP as I recall.  I'm pretty sure I. G. Toland survived the merger as Hannibal Division Superintendent.  Archie Hayden would know better than I when that transition occurred, as I believe Hagen succeeded Toland.
 
Glen Haug
 

To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: klinerarch@charter.net
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:25:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Sorry..it was M.E. Hagan..

 

That was the original Jo Main, but this section was abandoned around 1957 and the westbound trains went up the KLine and around the wye at Falk or Mark and then west to Palmyra.  That wye was built around 1947 or 48.  The H&StJo had two depots in Palmyra.  One was on Main St. and the other at the Junction of the Quincy Line and the old Jo Main.  Refresh my memory, what were you doing around Hannibal in the days of ME Hagen?

On May 1, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Lindsey Fowler wrote:

 

Mr. Hayden,

Sorry..it was M.E. Hagan, Super.. in the 60's IIRC...  Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the H&St.J headed out Collier next to the MKT/Wabash out past the south end of the airport , then curved off Northwest and across the fields and Hwy 61. The best I can tell, the roadbed was dug out for the new highway, but picks back up at the old Highway department and paralleled old 61 to  two blocks before the depot then hard curved west.  Does that sound about right Sir?

Lindsey

From: archie hayden <klinerarch@charter.net>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Hannibal & St. Joe Farewell

 

Sometime during the Civil War the commanding Union general ordered the two railroads to make a connection.  Has been that way ever since.  Archie

On Apr 30, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Kenneth Martin wrote:

 

Archie,

I don't have info about the Q&P not being able to connect to the H&STJ.

According to Baldwin's "Corporate History of the CB&Q" the Q&P connected with the H&STJ at Palmyra Jct. Their line was completed and opened to traffic on April !, 1860.

By special act of the State legislature the H&STJ was authorized to "purchase and own all the capital stock of the Q&P" This was accomplished March 14, 1867.

Ken Martin

On Apr 30, 2012, at 4:55 PM, xocboy2001 wrote:

> When did H&StJo connect to to Q&P? I understood from reading about Pony Express history
> history that the two were prevented from physical connection in 19th century, so mail had to be transferred between depots in Palmyra 'by hand[or horse]
> --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "John Lewis" <CBQJohn@...> wrote:
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>> Way back in the day, the Hannibal and St. Joe railroad entered the town of Palmyra, Missouri from the south; the main line paralleled main street and curved towards the 'junction' with the Palmyra and Quincy railroad. As we all know, the H&ST.J and the P&Q became a part of our beloved Burlington Route.
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>> If my memory serves me correctly, and it usually doesn't, the main line from Hannibal to Palmyra (via Withers Mill) was severed in the the late fifties. Trains from Hannibal could access the Palmyra main in the Mark Bottoms after that. The old main continued in service, with the Robey-Robinson/Great Central Lumber Company, Farmers Co-Op and the Mississippi Valley Chemical Company providing the majority of the carloads. John Jacobs and myself were fortunate to have been the recipients of many a cab ride when a local switched Main Street. In the past couple of years, BNSF has ended service to Main Street here in Palmyra, choosing instead to drop cars at the location of the former Palmyra Depot (which was demolished in 1990).
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>> I was informed today that the bridge that carried the tracks over West Line Street has been removed ... I checked it out tonight and it is gone.
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>> Sad thing about all of this is that I don't have a single picture of the bridge or a train on it.
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>> Regards,
>> John Lewis
>> Palmyra, Missouri
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