Re: [CBQ] Sorry..it was M.E. Hagan..

[Lindsey Fowler <lindsey_m_fowler@yahoo.com>]

BTW...I lived in Hannibal four blocks past the old Levering Hospital on the right kind of up the hill..

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From: Lindsey Fowler <lindsey_m_fowler@yahoo.com>
To: "CBQ@yahoogroups.com" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Sorry..it was M.E. Hagan..

 

I went to see Dr. Rister and Gray on Broadway up close to the new post office when I was little..in the 60's. As my reward, I got to go to the general offices and around the yard some... Mr. Hagen's secretary was always so nice..and so was the yard clerk. They'd give me everything under the sun..one of those metal hand lanterns, all the calenders, matches, anything that said Burlington Route on it.  They'd show me into the dispatcher's office to watch the line up the CTC machines for you guys. I actually met you out by the hack pit. I think it was but you were off going home I think.  It wasn't until back in '99 when I got brave and stopped by your house..you showed us your hack in the yard. BTW..is that an old H&ST.J or wads that a H&ST.L hack? Anyways.. always thought of you when I saw a train on the Brookfield sub, but you were not on them I later found out..you were on the K-Line I think. Yes I was kind of upset they tor down the depot at Palmyra..I guess they thought two was too many.. Did you ever know Ron Herron in Elsberry? He loved to haul crews..

The reason I liked the CB&Q was my Uncle Lester (Sam to his friends) in Galesburg.. He was a hoghead and ran the C&I, and at one time ran West Quincy and back for some reason.. I got to ride with him on several occasions. (always wanted a conductor to set me up in the hack for a ride..but no takers) He retired off the old West Hump there in Galesburg..43 years I think. He started out firing S-2s, and I think they put him on an O5a which I think was the 5631, or the '19, but not sure, and the fireman initiated him by making him hand fire  that coal burning auger machine with a large scoop shovel and that very small firebox door, got the hoghead all worked up..no pressure. Of course he was playing along.. The fireman was bumping the auger to keep things peculating while all this was going on..

Anyways. I fell in love with the CB&Q... had the most respect for anyone who bore the title "Burlington Route Employee"... still have that respect..

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From: archie hayden <klinerarch@charter.net>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Sorry..it was M.E. Hagan..

 

That was the original Jo Main, but this section was abandoned around 1957 and the westbound trains went up the KLine and around the wye at Falk or Mark and then west to Palmyra.  That wye was built around 1947 or 48.  The H&StJo had two depots in Palmyra.  One was on Main St. and the other at the Junction of the Quincy Line and the old Jo Main.  Refresh my memory, what were you doing around Hannibal in the days of ME Hagen?

On May 1, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Lindsey Fowler wrote:

 

Mr. Hayden,

Sorry..it was M.E. Hagan, Super.. in the 60's IIRC...  Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the H&St.J headed out Collier next to the MKT/Wabash out past the south end of the airport , then curved off Northwest and across the fields and Hwy 61. The best I can tell, the roadbed was dug out for the new highway, but picks back up at the old Highway department and paralleled old 61 to  two blocks before the depot then hard curved west.  Does that sound about right Sir?

Lindsey

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From: archie hayden <klinerarch@charter.net>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Hannibal & St. Joe Farewell

 

Sometime during the Civil War the commanding Union general ordered the two railroads to make a connection.  Has been that way ever since.  Archie

On Apr 30, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Kenneth Martin wrote:

 

Archie,

I don't have info about the Q&P not being able to connect to the H&STJ.

According to Baldwin's "Corporate History of the CB&Q" the Q&P connected with the H&STJ at Palmyra Jct. Their line was completed and opened to traffic on April !, 1860.

By special act of the State legislature the H&STJ was authorized to "purchase and own all the capital stock of the Q&P" This was accomplished March 14, 1867.

Ken Martin

On Apr 30, 2012, at 4:55 PM, xocboy2001 wrote:

> When did H&StJo connect to to Q&P? I understood from reading about Pony Express history
> history that the two were prevented from physical connection in 19th century, so mail had to be transferred between depots in Palmyra 'by hand[or horse]
> --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "John Lewis" <CBQJohn@...> wrote:
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>> Way back in the day, the Hannibal and St. Joe railroad entered the town of Palmyra, Missouri from the south; the main line paralleled main street and curved towards the 'junction' with the Palmyra and Quincy railroad. As we all know, the H&ST.J and the P&Q became a part of our beloved Burlington Route.
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>> If my memory serves me correctly, and it usually doesn't, the main line from Hannibal to Palmyra (via Withers Mill) was severed in the the late fifties. Trains from Hannibal could access the Palmyra main in the Mark Bottoms after that. The old main continued in service, with the Robey-Robinson/Great Central Lumber Company, Farmers Co-Op and the Mississippi Valley Chemical Company providing the majority of the carloads. John Jacobs and myself were fortunate to have been the recipients of many a cab ride when a local switched Main Street. In the past couple of years, BNSF has ended service to Main Street here in Palmyra, choosing instead to drop cars at the location of the former Palmyra Depot (which was demolished in 1990).
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>> I was informed today that the bridge that carried the tracks over West Line Street has been removed ... I checked it out tonight and it is gone.
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>> Sad thing about all of this is that I don't have a single picture of the bridge or a train on it.
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>> Regards,
>> John Lewis
>> Palmyra, Missouri
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