Leo, thanks for the examples. I guess I need to try to find out more about
what kind of agreement might have existed in Keokuk between the various roads.
Duncan
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I have only enough knowledge on the acctg/car billing rules to be dangerous.
That said in the days were talking about there were division of rate bills. The
orginating carrier received a slightly higher share of the total line haul bill
as the originator of the move.
The delivering carrier submitted the total bill and split the income with
each road that handled the car. Unlike today where each carrier invoices for
it's portion of the move. This of course kept an army of clerks and auditors on
the payroll.
As examples the Q switched General Mills at West Chicago,Il and some number
of cars went to the CNW interchange in town for that road to handle the road
haul.
Another example would be Northwestern steel and wire in Sterling. That
company did it's own switching, but depending on which road had recently
pleased or aggravated Mr Dillion would determine who got the line haul
Leo Phillipp
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On Oct 3, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Duncan Cameron <d.cameron@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Michael,
> That helps a lot. The info about the absence of a reciprocal switching
agreement is also helpful. I hadn't discovered any information about the kind
of arrangement that might have existed in Keokuk. I do have some evidence of
cars from General Mills, which would also have been on the Moora spur, going
out on the Rock Island, but the vast majority seem to have gone on the Q. Based
on what you've said that would suggest some kind of reciprocal agreement
between Q and Rock, which is possible. I believe both switched Hubinger's,
which was the only industry directly accessible from Rock Island tracks. Wabash
and TP&W would have been transfer only.
> Thank you for your help.
> Duncan
>
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> From: Michael Johns
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] operational question
>
> Mr. Cameron:
>
> The question of which railroad does the switching and which carrier is
selected to be the "line haul" carrier is a function of what kind of switching
district the shipper is located within. I would suspect that the spur you noted
at Keokuk is one "closed" to reciprocal switching by other carriers- hence they
do not have access. Then the shipper would find it economically expedient to
ship on the CBQ as far as possible under the bill of lading.
>
> If the spur is open to reciprocal switching, the CBQ local would switch the
plant but bring the car to the local carrier selected by the shipper to
originate the line haul. In Keokuk, the Rock Island (before 1980) and Wabash
(before 1960) were local carriers but I do not believe they were party to a
reciprocal switching agreement at Keokuk with the CBQ.
>
> In present day Ottumwa, Iowa, Rosenmann's Scrap Yard is shipping scrap
metal in gondolas to a steel mill using an 1887 Milwaukee Road reciprocal
switching agreement. Rosenman's is physically located on the BNSF (CBQ), but
the load is tendered under the switch agreement to the CP (as successor to the
Milwaukee) for transport. Lately, however, the BNSF has been transporting the
loads to the CP at destination because it is just too much hassle to tie up two
6 axle locomotives on the double main to switch the single car one time per day
back to the CP (Milw) interchange!
>
> I hope this is an explanation, and is not too confusing.
>
> Michael Johns
> Burlington Junction Railway
>
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> From: Duncan Cameron <d.cameron@sympatico.ca>
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:17 PM
> Subject: [CBQ] operational question
>
> I wonder if someone who actually worked with a railroad could answer an
operational question.
> It just occurred to me that several of Keokuk's industries were on the Q's
Moora spur.
> This suggested that the Q would do the switching of those plants.
> If the Q was being paid for the switching, would it be likely that the
plant would also use the Q to haul the car out of town?
> That is, would there be a savings to the shipper if they did so?
> Duncan Cameron
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