Glen
Starting in September of 1968, the Chuckwagon was dropped from the DZ except
for summer months. It was initially replaced by a snack bar coach (former TCZ
parlor cars Silver Parlor or Silver Chair) although I do not know if that car
line survived until May of 1971. Also, except for summer months, the Obs was
run just behind the diner, followed by, at a minimum, a 10-6 sleeper and a
slumbercoach. From the pictures in Harold Edmonson's Journey to Amtrak, at
least in the DZ's last months as a BN train, the slumbercoach was moved to
ahead of the sleeper.
I remember riding the first westbound train without the Chuckwagon on September
7, 1968. The snack bar coach on the train was the Silver Chair and you could
still smell the fresh paint in it. As with previous trips, I opted for dinner
and breakfast in the diner, the food of which still was up to its high quality.
--- On Sun, 8/7/11, GLEN HAUG <glenehaug@msn.com> wrote:
From: GLEN HAUG <glenehaug@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Food service on 1&10/11&12 late 60's
To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 12:52 AM
Gerald:
I seldom rode #10, but rode #1 probably 10 times in the late 60's (as late as
Thanksgiving 1969) from either Galesburg or Burlington to Lincoln, or between
Lincoln and Denver. I also had an excellent view of the mainline at 14th
Street in Lincoln from my dorm room at UNL. I studied late into the night, so
I saw #10 practically every night (about midnight) and probably saw #1 an
average of two nights a week (a little after 2 AM).
I could be wrong, but from my recollection of those observations, I don't
remember Silver Cup/Kettle being out of the train. When riding the train east
of Lincoln, I remember ordering late-night snacks at the counter as late as the
fall of 1968. I do remember starting sometime in 1968, I think, that there was
a sleeper behind Parlor/Observation Silver Veranda/Chateau, but I want to say
it was a slumbercoach. I believe the statement on the movement of "the
parlor-bar cars from the rear of the train up to behind the diner" is in error
if it is referring to the Parlor-Observation. Silver Veranda/Chateau was
always at the rear, or just ahead of the single sleeper previously referred
to. The length of these two trains was still at least 8 cars in 1968-69,
perhaps 10 to 12 on weekends or near holidays, and still contained 3 dome
cars. Unless Silver Garden/Patio was substituted, these would have to have
been the dome coach, the dome chuck-wagon, and
the dome parlor-obs.
One other thing I remember from 1968 on, because I was 21 by then. Drinks were
served in the lounge section of what had to be Observation #483, from the North
Coast Limited. On Sunday nights, this car would not serve liquor in Iowa, but
would open back up when we crossed into Nebraska. The two times I remember
sitting in this car, it was near the head-end and the observation was forward.
I'm sure this car was used only during periods of heavy business (like the
holidays when students were returning to school), because I never saw it
regularly in the train.
Sorry, I can't help with #11/#12. I never rode these trains after the
articulated sets were retired.
Glen Haug
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: vje68@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 20:56:11 +0000
Subject: [CBQ] Food service on 1&10/11&12 late 60's
A RR friend of mind posed these two questions for me to share with the group:
In the late 1960's the "Q" removed the Chuck Wagon cars (Silver Cup & Silver
Kettle) from #1 and #10. They moved up the parlor-bar cars from the rear of the
train up to behind the diner. The timetable shows a buffet/coach seating 44
passengers. I believe this to be the Silver Parlor and Silver Chair cars after
Aurora Shops had removed the parlor seats and put in coach seats and remade the
Drawing Room into a buffet and cut a hole in the wall to make a serving area
for the food/beverage service. This meant that the "Q" had to replace the one
type of car (Chuck Wagon) with a seperate food car (Silver Parlor or Silver
Chair) AND put a dorm car on the train for the crews to use. Someone here in
MSP suggests that probably a Silver Bird type of car with section space was run
on the rear of the train. This is a period when (probably) the mixing of crews
with regular passengers was frowned upon, unlike now with Amtrak doing so. Why
remove 1 car to replace it
with 2 cars. The savings in crew costs for the Chuck Wagon type car would
probably only be a couple of men at most.?
Next question...At this same time in the timetables the consist for #11 and #12
shows a dinette/coach for food and beverage service. This was after the
Nebraska Zephyr sets of equipment were removed from $11-12 and the consists
were merged at Galesburg with the West Quincy service. We already know where
the Silver Parlor and Silver Chair cars are operating (#1 and #10) so what cars
are operating on #11-12. Did the "Q" bring up some former FW&D/C&S cars for
this service?
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