Interesting. Thanks, John, for that bit of historical information.
Rechecking Wagner (and Corbin), I see photos of C&S E-4A mikes in service in
Red Oak and Kansas City, as well. And if memory serves, somewhere I also saw a
shot of one in transfer service up in St. Paul. So they did get around during
the 1930s and 40s. Quite a diaspora for a small class of engines from a
railroad with not such a big roster!
Jonathan
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "John D. Mitchell, Jr." <cbqrr47@...> wrote:
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> The E-4A's were leased to the Q at least twice for use in the Beardstown
> Division coalfields, mostly out of Herrin Junction ( in the 30's and again
> during WWII). In the 1950's, Q oldtimers were still talking about what good
> engines they were.
>
> --- On Fri, 12/10/10, jonathanharris@... <jonathanharris@...> wrote:
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> From: jonathanharris@... <jonathanharris@...>
> Subject: [CBQ] Re: Oriental O-1a
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 10:16 AM
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> Hol Wagner has an interesting and pertinent discussion of this in The
> Colorado Road (p. 141). The C&S's five E-4A mikados (equivalent of the
> Burlington's class O-1) went through a fair number of modifications during
> their almost 50 years of service. Much of their careers, it turns out, were
> spent leased to the Q for switching service (mainly?) in Denver. Upon their
> return to the C&S in 1947, engines 800, 802, and 803 were converted to oil
> burners for service north of Denver.
>
> Concerning the 57" drivers on these C&S mikes, I can only speculate their
> reduced size had to do with operating conditions specific to the C&S, since
> the C&S's F-4A Pacifics (equivalents of the Burlington's S-2 class) also had
> "small" drivers (C&S 69" versus CB&Q 74"). Perhaps this was an adaptation to
> the railroad's "profile" or to track conditions requiring greater adhesion.
>
> Curious in that regard that the FW&D's sister E-4A1 mikados had big drivers,
> same size as those on the CB&Q, while their F-3A Pacific's had the smaller
> drivers, like those on the C&S. Your guess is as good as mine.
>
> Jonathan
>
> --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, William Barber <clipperw@> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I have seen no response to your question. Yahoo strips off
> > attachments and photos. Did you post the photo in the photo file? The
> > Oriental Limited model of the O-1a was a fairly accurate
> > representation, but C&S 803 wasn't really an O-1a. It was more
> > closely related to Q's earlier O-1 class mikados. However, the O-1
> > class had 64" drivers. The O-1s were built in 1910 and 1911. The
> > similar C&S mikes were built in 1911. Both had large cabs (some early
> > O-1a's also had larger cabs), and small sand domes as compared to the
> > O-1a's.
> >
> > As for an oil burning version of the O-1a, there weren't many.
> > Looking through the 1935 locomotive assignment sheet in Corbin's
> > book, none of the O-1a's were equipped to burn oil. In the later 1952
> > assignment sheet, I find only 3 that had been converted to oil. These
> > were 5063, 5077 and 5127, all assigned to the Sterling Division.
> > There were a number of O-1a's assigned to Lines West that were
> > lignite burners and a number of the larger O-2s were converted to oil.
> >
> > As for the 803, it was an oil burner in 1959 when I saw it under
> > steam. When it was converted to oil, I do not know.
> >
> > Bill Barber
> > Gravois Mills, MO
> >
> > On Dec 6, 2010, at 2:45 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> > > Oriental O-1a
> > > Posted by: "John Manion" railbass@ manionjohn68
> > > Sun Dec 5, 2010 2:06 pm (PST)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In answering a question recently on LMB O-1a's, I got out my
> > > Oriental model
> > > of a Q O-1a. The model is nicely painted and lettered for C&S #803.
> > > However, it has the 64" drivers and short cab of a 4900, and #803
> > > had 57"
> > > drivers and a full cab. The model also has a straight-sided tender
> > > with an
> > > oil bunker. I am thinking this would be the arrangement for an O-1a
> > > used
> > > in the western divisions of the Q. I have glanced through my Q books -
> > > Corbin, Hardy, Wagner, Spoor, Holck, and Burg's Campbell
> > > Collection, and
> > > been unable to find any photo of a similar oil-burning O-1a. I have
> > > attached a photo of the model. Does anyone know what the prototype
> > > of this
> > > model would be and where it operated?
> > > - John Manion
> > > Denver, CO
> >
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