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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:56:14 -0400 (EDT)
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Here's commentary on some of the deleted stations per Gerald's list

Bethany Jct....later Togo....later Giles.  This is the junction just east of 
Lamoni IA where the "Dirty Side" of the Chariton Branch left the "Straight Side"
You can still see the wye at the junction from I 35.  The Dirty Side of the 
Chariton Branch is the line leaving the Straight side at Giles then running 
west and thence south via Kellerton, Mt. Ayr, Delphos, Redding, Grant City, 
Worth, Gentry and joining the Straight Side at Albany Jct. just south and west 
of Albany.
If your familiar with famed railroad author Harry Bedwell, you know that he was 
born at Kellerton, IA and worked at several of the stations on both sides of 
the Chariton branch.  I can only guess at why the name "Dirty Side"...there was 
significant livestock shipments originated on that line..I've always thought 
that Bedwell's tale..."When there's traffic to move" was set on the Dirty side.



Berks NE.  I dont' think that there ever was a depot there.  There is still a 
siding and Berks still appears in the timetable.    It's just east of Crete on 
the Lincoln Denver line.

Bracken, NE.  Named for former Q VPO E.P. Bracken...located between Auburn and 
Nemaha on the Tecumseh--Neb City line.  Mr. Bracken's initials stand for Edward 
Payson Bracken...My GF always said the Burlington men  said they stood for  
Every Person Busy.  Mr. Bracken is buried at Tecumseh, NE, and was a native of 
this part of the state..

Monroe City, Nemaha City,  Mason City.  Even though these were the official 
names of the towns, for whatever reason the railroad never used the "City" 
portion of the town name.  My GF traveled Nebraska in the early 1900's and he 
always referred to "Mason"...never Mason CITY.  Same with Pawnee City..always 
Pawnee.

Having availed myself of the "accommodations" of several of the hotels 
mentioned in Gerald's list of "approved" hotels here's some comments.

Atlantic Hotel..Chicago.  directly across LaSalle St. east of the LaSalle St. 
Station.  Whenever out of town officers visited the General Office it was 
pretty much mandatory that you stay at the Atlantic.  I stayed there first time 
in Summer 1960.  Not what you would call a 5 star facility...

Francis Hotel...LaSalle, IL.  Just your average small town "downtown" hotel 
with restaurant and bar.  I stayed there January 1960.

Plaza Hotel...KC MO. Right across the street from the KC Union Station.  Now 
gone..the whole area occupied by the Crown Center facilities...This was a 
"world class dump"..inhabited by winos and other assorted vagarants.

St. Joe MO.  Andrews....right across the street and a bit north of the 
depot...next to the Haber Hotel...NON AC and down the hall bathrooms.  Jim 
Christen and I stayed there..summer 1953.  Roubidoux  (Rube E Doo).  The 
premier downtown hotel in St. Joe.  now demolished and long gone.  I think that 
both the Haber and Andrews may be still standing.

Creston, IA.  Iowana..right downtown..just couple of blocks north of the depot. 
 Jim C and I stayed there summers  52 and 53.  Get a room on the south side and 
you could see everything the Q had to offer in Creston.  Until recently a 
"retirement home"..When I was there in April this year it was boarded up.

Omaha...Paxton...2nd rate hotel downtown Omaha...I had my first "official" 
interview with the Rock Island's G.T. Gilluly Manager Personell in March 1959 
in the dining room there.  I drove Mr. G. over to Council Bluffs IA to the CNW 
station so he could catch the CNW for Ames, IA.

Lincoln, NE  Lincoln Hotel...Big 1880's or so downtown hotel just a couple of 
blocks up fromt the depot.  Torn down in the 60's..replaced with modern hotel 
structure..Has been Holiday, INN and several other "chain operation" 
hotels...Features airport service and convenient to everything downtown.

Hastings...Carter Hotel...I think it's still standing...downtown 
Hastings...When they first "pooled" the waycars that was the official Q 
trainmen's hotel..All you had to do was check in and register when you arrived 
in Freight service.

Ravenna....West Hotel...Many not so pleasant memories from here.  Old old brick 
building..still standing as of last October..now apartments..Then a 
hotel..First saw a "graveyard" in the hotel restaurant...If you don't know what 
a "graveyard is it's an awful looking mess of soft boiled eggs, crackers and 
other non descript items served in a bowl to be eaten at night...I almost threw 
up the first time I saw a guy eat one.  The rooms were not AC...I caught the 
Ravenna Switch engine (1:00am-9:00am) two different times in 56 and 57.  Try to 
get sleep in 100 degree heat in the daytime in July-August Nebraska.  Not place 
else to stay there,

Denver...Oxford Hotel...Stayed there in 1947 with my GF enroute to Camp in 
Colorado...With Jim C. summer 54 on summer railroad trips...with J.H. Gilfillan 
in Rock Island freight claim days...I think it's been modernized and is located 
near the revised "Larimer Street District" of Denver.

Des Moines, IA...Randolph...Just up the street from the RI Depot..Bolton and 
Hay restaurant...all railroaders stayed and ate there.

St. Louis..Terminal Hotel..This was the hotel in the Union Station....Now it's 
Drury...I think...Never stayed there

Wymore---Hildreth---Schubert...Enginemen's bunk room in depot...Summer 58 on 
the Fairmont-Hildreth local...Train crew stayed in the Waycar just outside the 
depot..Engine crew had a couple of bunks in the depot...No AC...No running 
water...I don't recall what the "sanitary facilities" were like...Most likely 
of the "dry closet" variety.

When I entered the Freight Claim business in early 1964 most of the railroad 
Freight Claim Agent fraternity was made up of stogy old dinosaurs....All 
probably younger then than I am now, but when you're 28 everybody over 40 seems 
old.  

The AAR had a Freight Claim Division which oversaw...theoretically...the 
handling of interline matters relating to loss and Damage Claims...There were 
4-5 Claim conferences which we belonged to and which met a couple of times each 
year..then there was a big "annual meeting" held in the spring.  These meetings 
had always been held in the old "Downtown hotels"..which were always..."right 
across the street from the depot".   In the early 60's you could still pretty 
well get around to these meetings via train and thus the "right across the 
street hotels" were convenient.

As time went on and rail travel became inconvenient and in some cases non 
existent..some of these old geezers still wanted to stay with the old 
hotels..which, by this time had begun to deteriorate along with the passenger 
trains and the depots.   

In my department we had pretty much gotten rid of the dinosaurs and I had 
mostly young guys working for me...It became a joke among the "younger set" 
that when one of the old guys said when asked what was a good place to 
stay...They would name a hotel and say..."it's right across the street from the 
depot"...we would automatically know that that was NOT the hotel to stay.

One old guy who worked in our perishable claims department had been a traveling 
man at one time and once when I was going to Cedar Rapids, IA fromChicago he 
extolled the virtues of the old Hotel at WEst Liberty, IA  where you could get 
coffee while you changed trains...That hotel was  probably Civil War 
vintage...It's gone now, but it was just across the track from the depot where 
the Burlington-Cedar Rapids line crossed the Chicago-Omaha line.
He also told me when he learned I was going to a seminar at Purdue University 
via Big 4 James Whitcomb Riley...that they used to "get coffee at the depot 
while they put the Big 4 power on" and I should be sure to do that.

Well...that's more information than you needed or asked for but sometimes just 
can't help myself...

Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald & Virginia Edgar <vje68@hotmail.com>
To: cbq <cbq@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:32 pm
Subject: [CBQ] Official CB&Q 'hotels'


 


Per a 1964 agreement with BLE & B of Loco Firemen & Enginemen, here is the list 
of then approved "suitable lodging" All are 'x' Hotel unless noted otherwise. 
Might be fun to visit a few & see if any OLD emps have memories of CB&Q crews. 
NOTE: only 16 cities of the 64 listed had 2 approved hotels & just 3 had 3 
approved BUT Chicago was NOT one of them!

ILLINOIS

Chicago: Atlantic
Cicero: Towne
Mendota: Faber
Rock Falls-Sterling: Miami
LaSalle: Francis
Savanna: Radke
Galesburg: Custer
E. St. Louis: Desoto & Baltimore
Centralia: Langenfield
Quincy: Quincy, Lincoln-Douglas

MINNESOTA

St. Paul: Capri, St. Paul
Mpls: Andrews

MISSOURI

Kansas City: Plaza
North K.C.: Ben Bolt
Hannibal: Mark Twain
St. Louis: Terminal
Mexico: Hoxsey
St. Joseph: Andrews, Roubidoux

KENTUCKY

Paducah: Mrs. Pool's Rooming House (my favorite of the entire listing!)

IOWA

Clinton: Lafayette
Burlington: Union, Burlington
Keokuk: Iowa
Ottumwa: Ottumwa, Ballingall
Des Moines: Randolph
Creston: (3!) Iowana, Creston, Agnew Bldg.
Council Bluffs: Chieftan
Pacific Jct: King

NEBRASKA

Omaha: Paxton
Ferry: says "see Section2(b)" which says "when away from home terminal & no 
accomodations, transportation will be provided"
O'Neill: Golden
Lincoln: Lincoln
Sargent: Sunset Motel
Burwell: Pink Rooming House (close 2nd to Paducah!)
Hastings: (3!) Big Four, Clarke, Carter
Ravenna: Bart, West
Fairmont: Slumber Motel
Red Cloud: McFarland
McCook: Keystone, Goodson Apts
Wymore, Hildreth & Schubert: "Enginemen's Bunk Room per Agreement"
Alliance; Alliance, Drake
Seneca: Valentine, Drake
Edgemont: (3!) Oxnard, Huff, Prince
Bridgeport: Edding
Holdredge: Madison

COLORADO

Akron: Norca, 'Dormitory'
Denver: Barth, Oxford
Sterling: Sterling
Holyoke: Burge
Brush: Carroll

KANSAS

St. Francis: Elms
Oberlin: Oberlin

SOUTH DAKOTA:

Deadwood: Franklin

WYOMING:

Guernsey: Guernsey, Culver
Cheyenne: Pioneer
Casper: Townsend
Cody: Pawnee
Bonnville: Shawver, Desert Inn Motel
Gillette: Montgomery, Goings
Greybull: Norris

MONTANA

Billings: Carlin, Roxy
Laurel: Hurzler, Yellowstone

NOTE: None listed for Wisconsin! Why! I would have expected Lacrosse (former 
Div Hdq) &/or Prairie du Chien (tie-up point)

Gerald 



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