--- On Thu, 8/5/10, Cy Svobodny <ctsvobodny@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Cy Svobodny <ctsvobodny@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Official CB&Q 'hotels' and deleted stations
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 7:55 PM
Milwaukee Hotel in Winona, MN(katy corner from depot) was used by on-board
crews(colored). Building last served in the 1990's and early 2000's as a
rooming house with 8 rooms with sinks, toilet and shower down the hall. I
stayed there while working for AMTRAK in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's The
gal that owned it just passed on at 92 years old. Her father owned it from
about 1910, she took control after the buyers defaulted. She was quite the
charmer with lots of stories(led a varied life).
--- On Thu, 8/5/10, Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com <Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com> wrote:
From: Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com <Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Official CB&Q 'hotels' and deleted stations
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 4:05 PM
Gerald
I remember seeing The Canfield....I would have been willing to stay there, but
my wife...having spent too many nights in that kind of place vetoed the idea.
It did indeed have the "feel" of a railroad hotel.
Pete
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From: Gerald & Virginia Edgar <vje68@hotmail.com>
To: cbq <cbq@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 9:19 am
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Official CB&Q 'hotels' and deleted stations
reat memories Pete! RR's indeed liked to use depots/rooming houses 'across
rom the depot'. In Dubuque it was the Canfield (still operating & somewhat
efurbished by private party but still an independent hotel). Was right on the
C/Milw mains & Q spur & within 1 block of Milw depot, 2 blocks from the Q's & 3
locks from the IC's. One entire floor of the east side (trackside) was
eserved for RR'ers. We listed it as an optional lodging for the BRHS Annual
n Dbq 4 yrs ago, still has that 'feel' of the old days including the huge neon
ign in front & an old bar.
erald
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rom: Jpslhedgpeth@aol.com
ate: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:56:14 -0400
ubject: Re: [CBQ] Official CB&Q 'hotels' and deleted stations
ere's commentary on some of the deleted stations per Gerald's list
Bethany Jct....later Togo....later Giles. This is the junction just east of
amoni IA where the "Dirty Side" of the Chariton Branch left the "Straight Side"
ou can still see the wye at the junction from I 35. The Dirty Side of the
hariton Branch is the line leaving the Straight side at Giles then running west
nd thence south via Kellerton, Mt. Ayr, Delphos, Redding, Grant City, Worth,
entry and joining the Straight Side at Albany Jct. just south and west of
lbany.
f your familiar with famed railroad author Harry Bedwell, you know that he was
orn at Kellerton, IA and worked at several of the stations on both sides of the
hariton branch. I can only guess at why the name "Dirty Side"...there was
ignificant livestock shipments originated on that line..I've always thought
hat Bedwell's tale..."When there's traffic to move" was set on the Dirty side.
Berks NE. I dont' think that there ever was a depot there. There is still a
iding and Berks still appears in the timetable. It's just east of Crete on the
incoln Denver line.
Bracken, NE. Named for former Q VPO E.P. Bracken...located between Auburn and
emaha on the Tecumseh--Neb City line. Mr. Bracken's initials stand for Edward
ayson Bracken...My GF always said the Burlington men said they stood for Every
erson Busy. Mr. Bracken is buried at Tecumseh, NE, and was a native of this
art of the state..
Monroe City, Nemaha City, Mason City. Even though these were the official names
f the towns, for whatever reason the railroad never used the "City" portion of
he town name. My GF traveled Nebraska in the early 1900's and he always
eferred to "Mason"...never Mason CITY. Same with Pawnee City..always Pawnee.
Having availed myself of the "accommodations" of several of the hotels
mentioned
n Gerald's list of "approved" hotels here's some comments.
Atlantic Hotel..Chicago. directly across LaSalle St. east of the LaSalle St.
tation. Whenever out of town officers visited the General Office it was pretty
uch mandatory that you stay at the Atlantic. I stayed there first time in
ummer 1960. Not what you would call a 5 star facility...
Francis Hotel...LaSalle, IL. Just your average small town "downtown" hotel with
estaurant and bar. I stayed there January 1960.
Plaza Hotel...KC MO. Right across the street from the KC Union Station. Now
one..the whole area occupied by the Crown Center facilities...This was a "world
lass dump"..inhabited by winos and other assorted vagarants.
St. Joe MO. Andrews....right across the street and a bit north of the
epot...next to the Haber Hotel...NON AC and down the hall bathrooms. Jim
hristen and I stayed there..summer 1953. Roubidoux (Rube E Doo). The premier
owntown hotel in St. Joe. now demolished and long gone. I think that both the
aber and Andrews may be still standing.
Creston, IA. Iowana..right downtown..just couple of blocks north of the depot.
im C and I stayed there summers 52 and 53. Get a room on the south side and you
ould see everything the Q had to offer in Creston. Until recently a "retirement
ome"..When I was there in April this year it was boarded up.
Omaha...Paxton...2nd rate hotel downtown Omaha...I had my first "official"
nterview with the Rock Island's G.T. Gilluly Manager Personell in March 1959 in
he dining room there. I drove Mr. G. over to Council Bluffs IA to the CNW
tation so he could catch the CNW for Ames, IA.
Lincoln, NE Lincoln Hotel...Big 1880's or so downtown hotel just a couple of
locks up fromt the depot. Torn down in the 60's..replaced with modern hotel
tructure..Has been Holiday, INN and several other "chain operation"
otels...Features airport service and convenient to everything downtown.
Hastings...Carter Hotel...I think it's still standing...downtown
Hastings...When
hey first "pooled" the waycars that was the official Q trainmen's hotel..All
ou had to do was check in and register when you arrived in Freight service.
Ravenna....West Hotel...Many not so pleasant memories from here. Old old brick
uilding..still standing as of last October..now apartments..Then a hotel..First
aw a "graveyard" in the hotel restaurant...If you don't know what a "graveyard
s it's an awful looking mess of soft boiled eggs, crackers and other non
escript items served in a bowl to be eaten at night...I almost threw up the
irst time I saw a guy eat one. The rooms were not AC...I caught the Ravenna
witch engine (1:00am-9:00am) two different times in 56 and 57. Try to get sleep
n 100 degree heat in the daytime in July-August Nebraska. Not place else to
tay there,
Denver...Oxford Hotel...Stayed there in 1947 with my GF enroute to Camp in
olorado...With Jim C. summer 54 on summer railroad trips...with J.H. Gilfillan
n Rock Island freight claim days...I think it's been modernized and is located
ear the revised "Larimer Street District" of Denver.
Des Moines, IA...Randolph...Just up the street from the RI Depot..Bolton and
Hay
estaurant...all railroaders stayed and ate there.
St. Louis..Terminal Hotel..This was the hotel in the Union Station....Now it's
rury...I think...Never stayed there
Wymore---Hildreth---Schubert...Enginemen's bunk room in depot...Summer 58 on
the
airmont-Hildreth local...Train crew stayed in the Waycar just outside the
epot..Engine crew had a couple of bunks in the depot...No AC...No running
ater...I don't recall what the "sanitary facilities" were like...Most likely of
he "dry closet" variety.
When I entered the Freight Claim business in early 1964 most of the railroad
reight Claim Agent fraternity was made up of stogy old dinosaurs....All
robably younger then than I am now, but when you're 28 everybody over 40 seems
ld.
The AAR had a Freight Claim Division which oversaw...theoretically...the
andling of interline matters relating to loss and Damage Claims...There were
-5 Claim conferences which we belonged to and which met a couple of times each
ear..then there was a big "annual meeting" held in the spring. These meetings
ad always been held in the old "Downtown hotels"..which were always..."right
cross the street from the depot". In the early 60's you could still pretty well
et around to these meetings via train and thus the "right across the street
otels" were convenient.
As time went on and rail travel became inconvenient and in some cases non
xistent..some of these old geezers still wanted to stay with the old
otels..which, by this time had begun to deteriorate along with the passenger
rains and the depots.
In my department we had pretty much gotten rid of the dinosaurs and I had
mostly
oung guys working for me...It became a joke among the "younger set" that when
ne of the old guys said when asked what was a good place to stay...They would
ame a hotel and say..."it's right across the street from the depot"...we would
utomatically know that that was NOT the hotel to stay.
One old guy who worked in our perishable claims department had been a traveling
an at one time and once when I was going to Cedar Rapids, IA fromChicago he
xtolled the virtues of the old Hotel at WEst Liberty, IA where you could get
offee while you changed trains...That hotel was probably Civil War
intage...It's gone now, but it was just across the track from the depot where
he Burlington-Cedar Rapids line crossed the Chicago-Omaha line.
e also told me when he learned I was going to a seminar at Purdue University
ia Big 4 James Whitcomb Riley...that they used to "get coffee at the depot
hile they put the Big 4 power on" and I should be sure to do that.
Well...that's more information than you needed or asked for but sometimes just
an't help myself...
Pete
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rom: Gerald & Virginia Edgar <vje68@hotmail.com>
o: cbq <cbq@yahoogroups.com>
ent: Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:32 pm
ubject: [CBQ] Official CB&Q 'hotels'
Per a 1964 agreement with BLE & B of Loco Firemen & Enginemen, here is the list
f then approved "suitable lodging" All are 'x' Hotel unless noted otherwise.
ight be fun to visit a few & see if any OLD emps have memories of CB&Q crews.
OTE: only 16 cities of the 64 listed had 2 approved hotels & just 3 had 3
pproved BUT Chicago was NOT one of them!
ILLINOIS
Chicago: Atlantic
icero: Towne
endota: Faber
ock Falls-Sterling: Miami
aSalle: Francis
avanna: Radke
alesburg: Custer
. St. Louis: Desoto & Baltimore
entralia: Langenfield
uincy: Quincy, Lincoln-Douglas
MINNESOTA
St. Paul: Capri, St. Paul
pls: Andrews
MISSOURI
Kansas City: Plaza
orth K.C.: Ben Bolt
annibal: Mark Twain
t. Louis: Terminal
exico: Hoxsey
t. Joseph: Andrews, Roubidoux
KENTUCKY
Paducah: Mrs. Pool's Rooming House (my favorite of the entire listing!)
IOWA
Clinton: Lafayette
urlington: Union, Burlington
eokuk: Iowa
ttumwa: Ottumwa, Ballingall
es Moines: Randolph
reston: (3!) Iowana, Creston, Agnew Bldg.
ouncil Bluffs: Chieftan
acific Jct: King
NEBRASKA
Omaha: Paxton
erry: says "see Section2(b)" which says "when away from home terminal & no
ccomodations, transportation will be provided"
'Neill: Golden
incoln: Lincoln
argent: Sunset Motel
urwell: Pink Rooming House (close 2nd to Paducah!)
astings: (3!) Big Four, Clarke, Carter
avenna: Bart, West
airmont: Slumber Motel
ed Cloud: McFarland
cCook: Keystone, Goodson Apts
ymore, Hildreth & Schubert: "Enginemen's Bunk Room per Agreement"
lliance; Alliance, Drake
eneca: Valentine, Drake
dgemont: (3!) Oxnard, Huff, Prince
ridgeport: Edding
oldredge: Madison
COLORADO
Akron: Norca, 'Dormitory'
enver: Barth, Oxford
terling: Sterling
olyoke: Burge
rush: Carroll
KANSAS
St. Francis: Elms
berlin: Oberlin
SOUTH DAKOTA:
Deadwood: Franklin
WYOMING:
Guernsey: Guernsey, Culver
heyenne: Pioneer
asper: Townsend
ody: Pawnee
onnville: Shawver, Desert Inn Motel
illette: Montgomery, Goings
reybull: Norris
MONTANA
Billings: Carlin, Roxy
aurel: Hurzler, Yellowstone
NOTE: None listed for Wisconsin! Why! I would have expected Lacrosse (former
Div
dq) &/or Prairie du Chien (tie-up point)
Gerald
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