One other aspect of the CZ baggage cars that is often overlooked,
especially in the use of non-CZ cars in that role, is that they had a
water tank for use in the boilers (of the passenger units pulling
the train). Originally, the tanks were used by the WP to help
ballast the car - weight down low on an otherwise (relatively) light
and top-heavy car. This is one result of the original test trains
run by each railroad prior to the CZ inauguration.
When this topic was brought up before, no one (on the Q side)
recalled the water being filled or used. The D&RGW didn't appear to
use them (as supplemental water carriers).
So, with the BA-19s weighting about 8,000 pounds more (than a CZ
baggage car), was there any operational differences? I tend to doubt
it, but I have yet to find the details.
There was a book that was issued for the CZ diner crews, one for the
lounge attendants, and one for the Zephyrettes. I doubt there was a
special book for operating crews, but given the unique attributes
across all three main partners (the brake system, audio system,
maintenance (in terms of en route watering, washing and fuel), and
specific issues (no business car behind the obs, and all the other
operation concerns indicated in the original consortium contract)
there might well have been some publication.
I have a copy of the Pullman maintenance document for the CZ
sleepers, diners and lounges. That provides some details of the
operations and maintenance en route (not the end-point maintenance
the book otherwise addresses). The original specs likewise provides
some insight. But I don't know where / what to look for other
operational instructions aside from the consortium data. The D&RGW
passenger paper was almost all thrown out with the SP and then UP
mergers. I'm not sure what is available at the Newberry.
At 12:19 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote:
>Until the end of the Coloradoan, the use of BA-19 or BA-19A cars was
>typically due to maintenance or repair of the CZ cars (and
>unavailability of the three near CZ cars - 2 were typically assigned
>to the TCZ and one was in a "pool" - not unlike the diners).
>
>The BA-19 cars were the first choice, given the brakes and the SSS sides.
>
>There were several accidents where the cars were rendered damaged
>requiring repair at Burnham or Aurora. One was at Sulphur, Nevada,
>one at Berry Creek, California, one near Grand Junction, and one near
>Pactolus Lake, CO (1965). Finding information on these has not been
>easy, aside from the Pactolus Lake incident, there are no ICC files
>for these (that I have found online).
>
>I know that the GJ incident required the baggage car to be repaired
>and for a week or more a BA-19 was used (but I do not have
>dates). There were other incidents, but I have no record of
>specific ones involving the baggage cars (to a point that they needed
>repair).
>
>There is one photo of two CZ baggage cars on the same train - whether
>it was being returned, or there was a real need for two cars is not
>known to me.
>
>One of the larger gaps, in terms of consist information, is right in
>the dates you ask about - 1953 - 1959. This is a critical period,
>given the lease of the 16 section cars (to the Pullman Pool), the
>transition from the transcon sleeper, the introduction of the 1952
>order of cars, myriad special operations and other consist-affecting
>events. I have not seen a consist for the "Double Zephyr", the
>makeup train (for the Sulphur incident (cars were "strewn about like
>jackstraws")) or other interesting consists. I admit not looking at
>the two earlier books (Zimmerman's and Portrait) given travel issues.
>
>At 08:22 AM 11/11/2009, you wrote:
> >Listees,
> >
> >seeking for your help again. I'm in final stage of modeling CB&Q BA-19
> >baggage to add some variety to my California Zephyr.
> >Seeking for any info on PROVEN appearance of said cars on CZ till 1953 (or
> >no later than, say, 1955). Need car#r(s) or at least info on paintscheme -
> >in case of dated photo of BA19 on CZ (where's car# illegible). Need to
> >decide on paintscheme (pullman green or plain silver or simulated
> >corrugation).
> >Bob Webber, are you listening?
> >
> >Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Michal B.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>Bob Webber
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