Bill,
While you can get the information from the Guide, and from PTTs,
the problem is that you only get, at best, generic
information. Sometimes, it says "standard sleeping car". Some
times, it will say something like "10 roomette, 6 bedroom car"
(itself something of a misnomer) - leaving you to figure out exactly
WHICH of the myriad 10-6 diagrams the particular car fit. Or it
might say chair (or coach), and you have to figure out if it is a 52
seat, 54 seat, 64 seat, etc. car, and then which type. Of course,
sometimes you get lucky and it provides the diagram.
Too, finding real consists, provide information not found in the
guide pertaining to the possibility of "regular" visitors, whether
they be domestic or foreign. And, the Guide and the PTT rarely, if
ever, provides any idea as to the type of head end equipment one might find.
Another aspect of finding real consists is to determine consists
of power, and try to determine an operating pattern (if there is one
to be found) of "regular" power assignments. Does 9918A show up all
the time (as a completely arbitrary example)? Does 9929 never
show? Model accordingly. Even though it wouldn't be the final word,
with enough of them, you get enough of a feel to discern a pattern
that makes it feel (to you anyway) a little better as to being more accurate.
Of course, as with all such things, it's a matter of degree and
personal choice. Putting a couple of E units, a reasonable baggage
and an assortment of plastic cars is fine for some and it makes them
feel good, and for them it should, no reason it shouldn't. For
others, they want to model an exact consist for an exact day, and the
layout has to depict that day down to the papers on the sidewalk
displaying that date. Somewhere in between is most of the rest of us,
and, in some cases, sanity.
At 08:16 AM 12/6/2008, you wrote:
>Paul & Tom,
>
>Wouldn't a check of an official guide from the period show the
>standard consist of each train as it departed from Chicago? The chart
>from the GN historical society appears to be nothing more than a copy
>of such a page. While I am not home at the moment, I do have an
>official guide from about 1955. I am sure others on this list also
>have copies available. Since tickets were sold for all three trains
>out of Chicago, it should show available equipment for each consist
>as though they were separate trains. If nobody else responds, I will
>be home in a couple of days and will check my guide.
>
>Bill Barber
>Gravois Mills, MO
>
>On Dec 5, 2008, at 6:51 PM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> > Re: Q Passenger Consists and photos - late 60's C&I
> > Posted by: "pal_houston" paulaleonard@tx.rr.com pal_houston
> > Fri Dec 5, 2008 4:39 pm (PST)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "pal_houston" <paulaleonard@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Mack" thommack@ wrote:
> > > > > I just got my copy of Volume 2 of Strauss's Burlington Route
> > > Passenger
> > > > > Trains - Vista Domes and Slumbercoaches (Weekend Chief/Four Ways
> > > > > West). Although a very detailed book, almost all the photos and
> > > > > consists seem to be for the late 50's and early 60's (e.g.
> > almost
> > > all
> > > > > locomotives are black stripe E's). For us late 60's modelers,
> > are
> > > > > there some detailed consist lists available from someone here on
> > > the
> > > > > group? I am especially interested in the secondary trains
> > between
> > > > > Chicago and Mpls/StP (Blackhawk, Mainstreeter, Western Star).
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom Mack
> > > > > Cincinnati, OH
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > Tom:
> > > Excellent question. I also would like similar info.
> > >
> > > For what it's worth (and not answering your question), the following
> > > link provides some interesting info for both GN and NP trains
> > west of
> > > Minneapolis/St.Paul.
> > >
> > > http://www.gngoat.org/gn-np.htm
> > >
> > > Also, CB&Q used the same numbers for the eastern part of the EB
> > > between MPLS/CHI as did GN for their part of EB west of
> > > MPLS (Nos.31/32), and CBQ also used the same numbers for the NCL
> > > between StP/CHI as did NP for the western part of the NCL
> > > (Nos.25/26).
> > >
> > > However CBQ used 47/48 for the combined Blackhawk/Mainstreeter
> > > between MPLS/CHI. And near as I can tell these trains ran in the
> > > dark -- leaving Minn/STP way late and arriving Chicago way early. No
> > > wonder pix are so hard to come by.
> > >
> > > The NP RHA website is really interesting and very well put together.
> > > http://www.nprha.org/
> > > Lots of great info there, but other than naming their newletter
> > > Mainstreeter, I couldn't actually find much info about the train or
> > > its consists, or pix either!
> > >
> > > Interestingly, NPRHA NP Train Number Summary lists NP Nos. 1&2 as
> > > NCL, and not Mainstreeter; and there is no Mainstreeter listed on
> > > their Train Number Summary (!). Neither does the NPRHA site list
> > > NP Nos.25/26.
> > >
> > > Maybe we run whatever equipment we want for the combined
> > > Mainstreeter/Blackhawk, as long as we run in the dark. :) ?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Paul
> > >
> > I found some additional info that may be of interest on the GN
> > website.
> > Here is a link to the GN website that provides copies of the Aug. 1955
> > public schedule for GN passenger service, or "Official Guide"
> >
> > http://www.gngoat.org/official_guide.htm
> > <http://www.gngoat.org/official_guide.htm> .
> >
> > Among other information it provides an Empire Builder Schedule and
> > equipment info.
> >
> > http://www.gngoat.org/p1069.jpg <http://www.gngoat.org/p1069.jpg>
> >
> > GN-1 the Westbound EB departed Chicago at 2 pm, the same time the
> > eastbound EB GN-2 was scheduled to arrive. Thus, GN and CBQ did NOT
> > use
> > the same train numbers for the EB on their parts of the route, as I
> > said
> > yesterday. My mistake.
> >
> > The GN site also has a Western Star schedule and equipment info.
> >
> > http://www.gngoat.org/p1070.jpg <http://www.gngoat.org/p1070.jpg>
> >
> > The Western Star was GN train Nos. 3 and 4 which departed Chicago
> > at 11
> > pm or arrived Chicago at 8 am.
> >
> > While the equipment info on these schedules is interesting, I am not
> > sure it does a lot of good relative to what was being run from Chicago
> > to Minneapolis in the mid-1960's, unfortunately.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Paul
>
>
>
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