The D&RGW / D&RG also ran the MP, CRI&P and AT&SF trains. Before the
Santa Fe built their line north from Colorado Springs, the D&RG
handled their trains - the locomotives used (and for freight, the
cabooses), were the first standard gauged equipment on the
railroad. Of course, that also meant that the D&RG line was 3 rails.
At 06:28 PM 6/24/2008, you wrote:
>Greetings Russ,
>
>I have copies of the Joint Operating Agreements of 1900, 1915 and
>1940. Plus the maps.
>
>Certainly the D&RG(W) always (beware of Murphy's Law) ran their own trains.
>
>And I believe that the C&S and the AT&SF did too, for a while, then
>the AT&SF crews took over (I am not looking at the post merger period here).
>(I am not sure about what happened when the CRI&P and Colorado
>Midland used their landlord's tracks.)
>
>You are right; the the C&S handled all Denver area engine servicing,
>yards (including the AT&SF yards whilst they existed), and locals
>north of South Denver for the AT&SF and the C&S.
>
>And that the AT&SF handled similar business in Colorado Springs and Pueblo.
>
>Lloyd Stagner confirmed that the respective railroads crewed their
>own way cars until the 1940s.
>But what happened after that I don't know.
>
>Russ, many thanks for your input.
>
>Regards, Mark
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Russ Strodtz <borneo@19main.com>
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:02:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
>
>
>Mark,
>
>Might be confused many time here. AT&SF, C&S, and D&RGW all had
>their own Denver to Pueblo. Except for a small North and small South
>C&S everything was scrapped. Look at the maps.
>
>C&S got all yard areas at the Denver Terminal. AT&SF got the
>Colorado Springs and Pueblo yard. This was all agreed.
>
>As information current as BNSF runs Denver-LaJunta- Amarillo. Only
>crews and all run East. Runs Amarillo-Trinidad- Denver. This crews
>handle everything West. There is a small local that runs Pueblo
>to LaJunta. Locals can also run BNSF to get from West, Amarillo
>via Dalhart-Stratford- back to Amarillo on UP trackage. That keeps
>everything going still West and then East.
>
>Part of change was Eastbound at Las Animas is on strait line to
>Boise City and Amarillo. Las Animas to Dodge City is now turning
>to go to the South and East. Everything is still at Las Animas, it
>just has the turns different directions. There are a few odd runs
>that have to go to Pueblo-West. Did try it to Trinidad but it was
>not been very good. With Trinidad to Raton sold I don't think they
>can run that way.
>
>Russ
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mark Sellars
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups. com
>Sent: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008 03:32
>Subject: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
>
>Greetings All,
>
>Pardon me if I have asked this question before.
>
>The Joint Line ran between South Denver and Pueblo, Colorado.
>In 1899, with subsequent renewals in 1900, 1915 etc, the Colorado &
>Southern and the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe signed a Joint
>Operating Agreement which amongst other thing allowed the C&S to use
>AT&SF [and later, after October 1918, D&RG(W)] trackage between
>South Denver and Pueblo.
>
>Initially C&S trains were crewed by C&S engine men (probably) and
>C&S way cars were crewed by C&S men.
>Sometime in the 1950s(??) the C&S men lost their crewing rights to AT&SF men.
>Can anyone shed light on what happened to cause this and why?
>
>As a matter of interest, AT&SF C&S way cars were assigned to trains
>according to their place on the roster. That is way cars form one
>company frequently brought up the rear of the other's trains; for
>good measure occasionally way cars from each company were assigned.
>
>Regards, Mark Sellars
>Adelaide, South Australia.
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