Greetings Russ,
I have copies of the Joint Operating Agreements of 1900, 1915 and 1940. Plus
the maps.
Certainly the D&RG(W) always (beware of Murphy's Law) ran their own trains.
And I believe that the C&S and the AT&SF did too, for a while, then the AT&SF
crews took over (I am not looking at the post merger period here).
(I am not sure about what happened when the CRI&P and Colorado Midland used
their landlord's tracks.)
You are right; the the C&S handled all Denver area engine servicing, yards
(including the AT&SF yards whilst they existed), and locals north of South
Denver for the AT&SF and the C&S.
And that the AT&SF handled similar business in Colorado Springs and Pueblo.
Lloyd Stagner confirmed that the respective railroads crewed their own way cars
until the 1940s.
But what happened after that I don't know.
Russ, many thanks for your input.
Regards, Mark
----- Original Message ----
From: Russ Strodtz <borneo@19main.com>
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:02:53 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
Mark,
Might be confused many time here. AT&SF, C&S, and D&RGW all had
their own Denver to Pueblo. Except for a small North and small South
C&S everything was scrapped. Look at the maps.
C&S got all yard areas at the Denver Terminal. AT&SF got the
Colorado Springs and Pueblo yard. This was all agreed.
As information current as BNSF runs Denver-LaJunta- Amarillo. Only
crews and all run East. Runs Amarillo-Trinidad- Denver. This crews
handle everything West. There is a small local that runs Pueblo
to LaJunta. Locals can also run BNSF to get from West, Amarillo
via Dalhart-Stratford- back to Amarillo on UP trackage. That keeps
everything going still West and then East.
Part of change was Eastbound at Las Animas is on strait line to
Boise City and Amarillo. Las Animas to Dodge City is now turning
to go to the South and East. Everything is still at Las Animas, it
just has the turns different directions. There are a few odd runs
that have to go to Pueblo-West. Did try it to Trinidad but it was
not been very good. With Trinidad to Raton sold I don't think they
can run that way.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Sellars
To: CBQ@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008 03:32
Subject: [CBQ] C&S Crewing rights over the Joint Line.
Greetings All,
Pardon me if I have asked this question before.
The Joint Line ran between South Denver and Pueblo, Colorado.
In 1899, with subsequent renewals in 1900, 1915 etc, the Colorado & Southern
and the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe signed a Joint Operating Agreement which
amongst other thing allowed the C&S to use AT&SF [and later, after October
1918, D&RG(W)] trackage between South Denver and Pueblo.
Initially C&S trains were crewed by C&S engine men (probably) and C&S way cars
were crewed by C&S men.
Sometime in the 1950s(??) the C&S men lost their crewing rights to AT&SF men.
Can anyone shed light on what happened to cause this and why?
As a matter of interest, AT&SF C&S way cars were assigned to trains according
to their place on the roster. That is way cars form one company frequently
brought up the rear of the other's trains; for good measure occasionally way
cars from each company were assigned.
Regards, Mark Sellars
Adelaide, South Australia.
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