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From: "Archie" <kliner@mywdo.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:29:46 -0600
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Pete,  the list you seem to be describing where you volunteered to work your 
off days and such was called an 11-D list at Hannibal.  Don't ask me where they 
got that name though, probably something from Hannibal  & St Joe days.  The 
2500 mile limit at Lincoln for engineers was similar to the limit at Hannibal 
except we had 3000 miles a month.  This was hardly ever enforced though.     
Archie
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  Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:08 PM
  Subject: [SPAM]Re: [SPAM][CBQ] Human Side-Chucking your Rights



  Archie et al

  I'll take a stab at "hog board"...Would it be the list of those who would 
make themselves available for "extra" service when needed in addition to their 
regular assignment?

  Seems like I've heard the term "mileage board" which I think might be about 
the same thing.? 

  Seems like I remember that, at least on the Lincoln Divsion engineers were, 
supposedly, limited to 2500 miles a month, but also seems like I recall 
conversations to the effect that when it came time to be "off on miles" they 
couldn't get off because there were no extra men available.

  Pete

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Archie <kliner@mywdo.com>
  To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 1:45 pm
  Subject: Re: [SPAM][CBQ] Human Side-Chucking your Rights

  Leo and group, Your example of the seniority of the switchman worked a little 
differently in the Hannibal yards, so maybe the local agreements differed from 
division to division. For instance, the switchman's board at Hannibal was a 
daily mark up and you just had to have your choice of shifts designated by 
midnight for the following day. When you did show up for the shift, you could 
choose whether you wanted to be foreman if you were the senior man or pass it 
up and work as a helper for that shift. Many times the two oldest men passed on 
the foreman's job if the workload looked real heavy or if they wanted to stick 
it to the yardmaster and force a lesser experienced man to the foreman's 
position. Here is another quiz for the group. Has anyone ever heard of a hog 
board? No Gerald, it isn't a 2 x 4 covered with bacon. Archie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:04 AM
  Subject: [SPAM][CBQ] Human Side-Chucking your Rights

  It's been two weeks and it looks like the prize for answering the "chucking 
  your rights quiz" will go unclaimed. Nice try Brad as you got two questions 
  right.

  The answer key(at least my version):

  1)Term for brakeman who chucked his rights(gave up Conds seniority) 
  Answer=DRONE. (Look up the definition in the dictionary and if there's need 
for more 
  discussion lets do so).
  Why would he chuck his rights? Brad was correct and I'll elaborate. After 
  years of working the extra list,nights,weekends,out of town based jobs the 
man 
  has enough seniority(whiskers) to hold a nice daytime run. After a few months 
  he gets his letter to take the Condrs exam and as soon as he passes it; he 
  is placed at the bottom of the Condrs seniority list and starts the 
  nights,weekend,extra list,etc all over again but now as the Condr. He can 
look forward 
  to several more years of this before he can again hold any steady job with 
  even remotely reasonable hours. So........... he says the hexx with this and 
  relinquishes his right to promotion and stays where he is as a bkrmn and 
looks 
  forward to only better runs in the future as a brkmn. 

  2)Why was this practice so widespread on the Aurora Division? The Aurora 
  zone manned all the passenger runs(after the Chicago road men and Aurora men 
  made an agreement moving manning to Aurora,this is another whole separate 
  story) and those along with many frt locals gave the man a steady job,often 
with 
  preferred hours. 

  3) Brads' example of George Thompson was a good one. Here's another one. In 
  1974 or '75 a DRONE retired from a one round trip dinky. He had 41 or 42 
years 
  service of which 29 were on one round trip dinky assignments !

  4) Downside? There were several. Someone working as a Condr,with higher 
  seniority than you as a brkmn, could decide to chuck his rights and then bump 
you 
  off your cush run. The cush runs could and were pulled off. Many who gave up 
  their rights ended their careers on the dinkies when they had planned to 
  spend their time in the passenger pools.

  5) Rule 72c in the schedule covered this practice. Probably one of the most 
  quoted clauses.

  6)How did switchmans schedule accomplish same thing w/o giving up your 
  foremans rights? The yardmen had a "bump" or bid every Friday for the next 
weeks 
  jobs. You could bid based on your switchmans seniority rather than on your 
  promotion date to foreman if you so chose. That way you could work as a 
helper 
  on your preferred job while younger men were foreman on less desireable jobs. 
  If you wanted to work as a foreman than you bid the foremans spot and if 
  you're foreman seniority entitled you it was yours.

  Leo Phillipp
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