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Re: [CBQ] Signals - Absolute vs Intermediate

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Signals - Absolute vs Intermediate
From: "Stephen J. Levine" <sjl@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:23:18 -0700 (PDT)
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Thanks.
   
  sjl

GLEN HAUG <glenehaug@msn.com> wrote:
          Absolute signals are the signals typically at the entrance to a 
control 
point or interlocking, and they are identifiable by the absence of a number 
plate. When the aspect displayed by an absolute signal is "all RED", the 
name and indication is "STOP before any part of train or engine passes the 
signal". Authority is required before proceeding. Some absolute signals do 
not govern movement over a switch or crossover, and these are sometimes 
refered to as Holding Signals. For example, there is a set of holding 
signals at Princeton, between Aurora and Galesburg.

Intermediate signals are the other signals between the control points, and 
are identified by a number plate, which does not need to be a milepost 
designation, but is typically very close to the milepost designation. For 
many years on the CB&Q, an "all RED" aspect at an intermediate signal meant 
"STOP AND PROCEED". After stopping, you had to proceed at Restricted Speed 
(which has a number of requirements but not exceeding 20 mph). At some 
point in time, I believe it was in the 50's, the Q changed this aspect to 
"RESTRICTING". You still had to run at Restricted Speed through the entire 
block, but you did NOT have to stop at the signal (I think you were 
technically in violation of the rules if you passed it at greater than 20 
mph). GN and NP did not allow "RESTRICTING" at intermediate signals except 
in special cases like on ascending grades, and this was more conservative. 
Sometime after the 1970 merger, but I believe it was not until the mid-70's, 
BN changed the signal rule and no longer allowed "RESTRICTING" at 
intermediates.

Glen Haug

>From: "Stephen J. Levine" <sjl@prodigy.net>
>Reply-To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [CBQ] Signals on the CB&Q - Lines West
>Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:18:41 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Can you define intermediate vs. absolute signals? I believe I have some 
>idea about what the terms mean, but would like clarification.
>

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