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[CBQ] Re: Walthers Standard 8-1-2 Sleeper

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From: Bob Webber <no17@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:40:13 -0600
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Will, this is a problem with Walthers.  They paint items in 
non-prototypical schemes, with non-prototypical combinations of 
appliances and trucks.  That's why I mentioned era and such.   That's 
really not a slam on Walthers either - they once put out a corrugated 
car in "stainless steel" and since it wasn't a Santa Fe prototype, 
they didn't paint it in Santa Fe.  And subsequently got hundreds of 
complaints about it.  Well, it was a NYC prototype, and they figured 
no one would want a New York Central car painted as a Santa Fe car. 
They HAVE to sell x amount of cars in order to be able to produce the 
next car in the line.  If that means selling x amount under a bogus 
scheme to people who don't care that it's bogus, then all the better. 
The place where that falls down is where it's sold and the purchaser 
doesn't know any better.  The 10-1-2 is a perfect example, in the Rio 
Grande scheme.  Rio Grande owned no HW Pullmans.  The Pullman Company 
painted 4 leased 3585 10-1-2's in the 4 stripe scheme.  Branchline 
painted them correctly.  The Walthers model painted them with the 
Flying Rio Grande (as they did with the 8-1-2s).  That becomes more 
of a problem, for a number of reasons, but it isn't Walthers fault or 
concern.   Since then, they have put together the so-called "Holy 
Thirteen" of railroads that sell well regardless of what you 
produce.  Santa Fe is one, Rio Grande another, and fortunately (or 
not) Burlington is also one.

Why fortunately if it's not prototypical?  Well, some cars make good 
stand-ins even though they aren't close to the prototype.  The 
Trainline baggage and RPO are examples.  They are C&NW cars, their 
roofs, underframe and ends are completely wrong for the CB&Q.   The 
sides are slightly less wrong.  But they make convincing stand-ins 
when you make modifications.   The Walthers diner is not real close 
to a Q diner, but it is a LOT closer to one than the old 
AHM/Rivarossi AT&SF diner.  The 3-2 Obs and the soon to be coming 
Solarium aren't close to anything that the Q owned, but you can make 
some modifications to the Solarium (I hope) to make it look close 
enough.   And so on.  And, depending on your tolerance for such 
things, they might be "good enough" for you, and that's great.

Branchline started as a company that did custom (prototypical) paint 
jobs.  That still shows in their projects.  They sell specifically 
named cars for specifically named paint jobs and plans.  They are 
well researched and they are 99% of the time, correct, with the 
correct A/C and as far as can be accomplished, trucks.  The reason 
you haven't seen the AT&SF versions of the Branchline Pullmans is 
exactly because of this concept - the parts are taking longer than 
expected to make.   When completed, those cars will be offered.  They 
could have sold a LOT more cars by offering them without the proper A/C.

One continuing issue is that there are no 24/xx25xx cores available 
to the industry to create the cars that might be used to fill out the 
truly correct cars for a given assignment.  The dorm cars on the Expo 
is one example.  But there are myriad others.  There *might* be one 
coming down the road, as at least one manufacturer has seen the 
glaring need.  But that will be at least 1-2 years down the 
road.  But once that core is available, a lot of options open up for 
the other cars, like the 2585n 10-1-2s and the 13 section, 14 section 
and 16 section cars that would show up on the Expo and other Q trains 
(not to mention the various 2410 12-1 incarnations).

So, yeah, if you want the exact model of the exact car, go 
Branchline.  Walthers makes very nice cars, and in a lot of 
instances, their cars may be exactly correct for a given 
application.   It depends on where you want to spend your research 
time and modeling time.

Re: Walthers Standard 8-1-2 Sleeper

I went looking thur some of the web and found this out. The Walthers
8-1-2 sleeper is based on the pullman plan 3947-A (242 cars built).
Looking at the pullman records from pullmanproject.com. CB&Q, C&S,
and FW&D did not have any of this type. I am still try to figure
out all of the CB&Q pullman cars were but the seem to be 8-5, 12-1
and 10-1-1 (I know C&S and FW&D had all three types)

Will Jensen


Bob Webber 



 
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