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Re: [CBQ] CB&Q GM-4A gondolas with extended sides and ends

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] CB&Q GM-4A gondolas with extended sides and ends
From: "Rupert and Maureen" <gamlenz@ihug.co.nz>
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 09:15:36 +1300
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John

Just having a more detailed look at these early roofed cars.

In 1959, 26 GM-4A's were fitted with a removable sectional roof, and 
reclassed as GM-4C.  The cars were 82297, 82342/58, 82471/81, 82508/71, 
82627, 82895, 83006/77, 83105-09, 83112, 83115-20, 83125/28/29 - the numbers 
come from the ORER's and are confirmed in the BN Diagram Book.

According to the 1960's Diagram Book, 25 cars ex GM-4A had bulkheads and 
wood floor added, sides & ends raised 14", although the difference in 
internal height as shown in the actual diagrams is 12" (3' 6" v 4' 6"). The 
extra 2 inches comes from the additional thickness of the floor.

In this same period 83140-83249 (GM-4B and GM-4D), which were built with the 
4' 6" IH, were also fitted with a
removable sectional roof, and the GM-4F's 83250-99 were built in 1962 with 
them.

There are minor differences in dimensions between the different classes - 
let me know if you want more.

Rupert


> John
>
> Comparing the GM-4C with the GM-4A on the previous page in Mike's book
> shows
> a common rivet line low on the sides of both cars (floor level), and an
> extra rivet line towards the top of the 4C sides.  Magnifying the higher
> rivet line area shows an uneven panel face where the additional height has
> been added.
>
> The 4C's were rebuilt in 1959 with 12" extensions, whilst the GM-4A's
> 82200-82239 (except 82219 and 82223) were rebuilt in 1968 with 24"
> extensions.
>
> Regards
>
> Rupert Gamlen
> Auckland NZ
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John and Sally Gillies" <gillies@webone.com.au>
> To: <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:08 PM
> Subject: [CBQ] CB&Q GM-4A gondolas with extended sides and ends
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> There's a photo of CB&Q 82253 on page 89 of the CB&Q Color Guide which
>> shows
>> an GM-4A gondola from the series CB&Q 822200-82549 with extended sides
>> and
>> ends.  There's also an on line photo of CB&Q 82231 on Jan Kohl's castle
>> graphics web site
>> http://www.castlegraphics.com/photo/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=44&pos=2
>>  .
>>
>> I'm thinking of modifying a Proto 2000 gondola to build one of these, but
>> I
>> don't know whether the extensions were added from the floor up, or
>> attached
>> (welded?) just below the original sides?  Information in Official Railway
>> Equipment Registers indicate the extensions were 12" above the original
>> sides and ends on some cars and 23" on others.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any assistance.
>>
>> John Gillies
>> Canberra, Australia>


 
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