>From what I have heard of conditions in Saudi area.
Blowing sand has a way of getting into everywhere.
That is the reason the Saudi's are not running the
Zephyrs. Please somwbody confirm this info.
--- clipperw@EarthLink.net wrote:
> Bob,
>
> My comment was only in jest. I had no intention of
> starting an
> international incident. My only point was that the
> Saudi government
> could afford to return the train for historical
> purposes. I am enough
> of a realist to know that such things will never
> happen. Still, it is
> interesting to speculate concerning the train and
> it's current
> condition. For all anyone knows, it could be well
> preserved and
> maintained and in pristine shape. I believe there
> was an article in
> Trains Magazine a few years back about the Saudi
> railways that
> mention the existence of one of the trains at that
> time.
>
> As for the MTZ, I am also enough of a realist to
> know that that
> probably won't happen either. I saw it years ago and
> it's condition
> was terrible at that time. I can only imagine how
> much further it has
> deteriorated today. Last I heard, it was in a junk
> yard, in Illinois
> I believe.
>
> Bill Barber
>
> On Nov 21, 2006, at 2:18 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
>
> > Re: texas zephyr
> >
> > Posted by: "Bob Webber" no17@comcast.net rsgrzw
> >
> > Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:23 am (PST)
> >
> > Bill, you're treading on dangerous territory, into
> the realm of
> > politics and such. The House of Saud, and the
> House of Bush have
> > been holding hands, literally, for over 30 years,
> where America
> > actually gets most of the crude it uses, etc. This
> isn't the forum
> > for that.
> >
> > And too, everyone has their own pet project. One
> example of this was
> > an email floating around last year when one
> veteran organization was
> > ripping Target for not directly contributing to
> them, even though the
> > company had donated millions to other veteran
> organizations. So,
> > there was a huge email campaign against Target,
> because they wouldn't
> > fund this one segment. Imagine, what would happen
> if EVERY charity
> > did that! The point being not to protect Target,
> but rather to point
> > out that one person's or one group's "need" is not
> necessarily that
> > large in the big picture. Not saying it CAN'T be,
> but there has to
> > be a bit of reason to things.
> >
> > And, when it comes to reason, such a thing as a
> train set, regardless
> > of how we feel about it, is likely not going to be
> given short shrift
> > (from the Saudis) when it comes up in the same
> breath as money for a
> > 9/11 memorial or perhaps a state-of-the-art
> prosthetics and orthodics
> > hospital and rehabilitation center, which is far
> more needed.
> >
> > And, as I say, there is always the MTZ sitting
> there. As far as I'm
> > concerned, the Saudi units are pipe dreams. It's
> akin to worrying
> > about the deathly affects of bacon on teens when
> accidents between
> > 3pm and 8pm are responsible for the most teen
> deaths in this
> > country. Or looking for a half dollar you lost on
> 4th street on
> > Broadway because the lights better there.
> >
> > The MTZ is real, it has all of the glass and
> interior fittings
> > available. It is in-country, it is available, and
> it is at least as
> > historic. Sometimes low-hanging fruit may not be
> as intuitively
> > appealing, but it's often as sweet.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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