What you are describing was the typical arrangement. Actually, often the FP7 A
units ran with F3B's. That is why photos of WP F's in ABA formation are
unusual. I believe I have seen two such photos. One is in Karl Zimmerman's
book, The California Zephyr. I forgot where I saw the other.
Interestingly, Emery Goulash's California Zephyr Video (Green Frog) shows Rio
Grande F's in an ABBB formation, which was also unusual. The lead F7 unit was
5574 and, interestingly, it has F3 shrouds, also unusual.
sjl
railbass@comcast.net wrote:
The WP power for the CZ was originally an A-B-B set of F3s, of which Athearn
Genesis has a beautiful model. I have one. This was followed by an A-B-B
set of FP7s.
- John Manion
Denver, CO
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From: "Stephen J. Levine" <sjl@prodigy.net>
> That is, Western Pacific F's in ABA formation. Sorry this was not clear.
>
> sjl
>
> "Stephen J. Levine" wrote:
> Check Karl Zimmerman's California Zephyr book for one photo of ABA F's
> leading
> the CZ. I have seen other photos as well from time to time.
>
> sjl
>
> Aeolus3@aol.com wrote:
> Now remember when using the first generation power for the CZ the consist had
> some minor changes.
>
> For example in 1949 the CZ carried the 16 section Pullman and 1 10-6 Pullman
> between the dome-dorm-buffet and the dinning car. This was only in the first
> summer of operation, the Pullman passengers were going forward to use the
> buffet dome for drink service. Now the dome in that car was reserved for
> Pullman
> passengers. In the fall of 1949 the CZ operators moved the dinning car behind
> the dome-dorm.
>
> The DRG&W PA's in the black and gold paint only lasted a short time in CZ
> operation. I always thought that was the best looking Rio Grande power on the
> CZ.
>
> The WP added two ABA sets of FP7 F7B FP7, although I don't ever recall seeing
> that ABA set in service on the CZ. Perhaps it did happen but again I've never
> seen a photo.
>
> Now the two other changes in consist would be the adding of the 6-5 Pullmans
> one to each train set. This happened in 1952. The other change was dropping
> the through Pullman in 1958. So if you have 10-6 Pullman Silver Rapids the
> PRR
> car, don't put red nose stripped E's on the CZ....... the red first appeared
> in 1959.
>
> Of course at almost anytime other cars appeared in the consist. Pullman
> Standard Rio Grande coaches, Burlington pre war Budds, and almost any
> railroad's
> 10-6 Pullmans. Sometimes it would be an odd Pullman being used as the through
> Pullman or perhaps a tour group.
>
> Also we can't forget the 16 Section Pullman cars, the sections were removed,
> and 48 seats replacing the sections. This was done with no changes to the
> outside of the cars.
>
> But over the years, the CZ consist remained pretty much the same only with
> traffic patterns changing the length of the train.
>
> Have fun with the CZ! The California Zephyr was a special train. It was a fun
> family train, relaxed in operation. And remember on one ever died on the CZ
> although one child was born aboard the train!
>
> Loren Johnson
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