Tom
Remember the Q was built of a bunch of smaller lines merged together. Often
the lines did not have a direct connection. See Page 124 and 150 in Overton's
"Burlington Route"
What we run as the Pea Vine today was built north from Monmouth to Rio, Alpha,
Barstow, and Denrock. Because Galesburg proved to be larger then Monmouth with
the yard a connection was built Galesburg to Rio and a sharp curve at Rio
joined to the Now thru line. Same at Denrock. The line north from there is a
connection and the resulting sharp curve.
It would be like buying pieces of layout and then trying to connect them all
together.
Often traffic patterns change so lines are taken out. Once the Kansas City
Cutoff was put in the traffic died on the H & St. Joe line to St. Joe and is
now gone west of Brookfield with the abandoned concrete pile trestles still
inplace .
Like the branch built from Aurora to Chicago off the original Aurora Branch RR.
Look where all the traffic runs today. The original yard in Aurora was where
the present Metra Yard is today but was too small and too many road crossings
so Eola was built. At one time there were three yards in the little town of
Ottawa then a new yard was built on the north side. Same with Streator. The
yard was downtown complete with roundhouse. Due to city growth the yard was
moved to the north side of town.
Classic blunders Aurora Metra yard with only one entrance. Should have kept
the incline
Tearing out track three McClure Road to Hurds Island. Direct result in
accidents. Now Metra wants to put it back in . The Aurora Viaduct was built
three tracks wide with the idea two more could be added to the west side of it.
Now it is two and a BIG bottleneck
Operators do not make the decisions the bean counters do
sjh
----- Original Message -----
From: thommack
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:29 PM
Subject: [CBQ] Denrock Sub and around the horn - Part 2
Thanks everyone for the info. Let me see if I have this straight (I'm
going from Spoor Vol. 4 and the Operating Data Sheets and the replies
to my first post):
1. There was still a line from Earlville to Sterling, and trains 639
and 640 operated this branch. Nothing about any trains continuing from
there to Denrock in the Data Sheets. Makes sense since according to
Steve Holding's post, out of Sterling you had to go over the C&NW
Sterling to Agnew line to get back to Q rails. But the map in Spoor's
Vol. 4 shows the line continuing on through to Denrock. Why? Did the Q
at one time have a line that they abandoned in favor of trackage
rights over the C&NW?
2. Trains used the route from Denrock through Prophetstown, Walnut,
and Ohio to get to Medota, then up to Chicago on the Galesburg to
Chicago main. Other than locals 589 and 590, and the iron ore/taconite
and potash extras, did any other through freights use this line?
Doesn't seem like it was very busy, more or less an alternative to get
Savanna to Chicago. But it would also seem there may have been a fair
amount of industry along the line for it to have its own wayfreight.
3. Following along with points 1 and 2, interstingly out of Denrock
locals 589 and 590 headed southwest down to Barstow. On the map in
Spoor Vol. 4 this appears to be the continuation of the line from
Earlville to Rock Falls to Sterling to Denrock. So back to point 1 and
what became of the line between Sterling and Denrock?
4. Per Russ's post, train 88 went this way, but the Data Sheets don't
list it. What was its origin/destination? And Russ, did you mean in
your post that since 82 was the "Hot Train" from TC to Chicago it went
from Savanna along the North route through Oregon, IL?
5. Why do the Data Sheets show 89 and 156 between Savanna and
Galesburg going through Barstow and Denrock? According to the map in
Spoor Vol. 4 there was a shorter Q line through Iowa between Fulton
and Moline that went on the West side of the Mississippi through
Clinton, Bettendorf, Davenport, and Rock Island. Was this line not in
use in 1967/68?
Thanks for all the help. I'm asking a lot but learning a lot!
Tom Mack
Cincinnati, OH
P.S. This has to do with plans for further layout expansion and some
exciting ideas.
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