Tom,
You lost me many times with these train numbers. Have no idea
where they came from. The "Map" you are referring to is so
bad it's of almost no use. This is PR Department stuff.
1.
Yard engines from Rock Falls used C&NW to switch in Sterling and
to get to Denrock and pickup and leave cars for Galesburg. Much
of the time Sterling and Rock Falls traffic usually came via
Galesburg. You say the map shows the trackage continuing to
Denrock. Think that we have already determined that. C&NW trackage
rights between Sterling and Agnew. The same map shows a solid
line from Galena Jct to East Dubuque but CB&Q did not have any
trackage there either.
2.
Way freights served the small towns and elevators on these lines.
There was industry in Sterling and Rock Falls, that's why they
had a yard engine there. These lines were built to attract local
traffic, not as alternate main lines. Until the early 50's there
were #69 and #64 which operated between Cicero or Eola and Barstow
via Mendota. This was an attempt to compete with the CRI&P for
Quad Cities traffic. Some of the last regular steam operations out
of Cicero were on these trains which, for a couple of years used
4-6-4's, or used 4-8-4's if passenger power was short.
3.
Think I already answered that.
4. #88 originated at Dayton's Bluff. #82 originated at Dayton's
Bluff. The way the trains interacted with GN and NP schedules
#82 got most of the time sensitive traffic. It was faster running
via Oregon and this train was usually powered better with less
tonnage. When all the traffic on a route is concentrated on two
trains they can become rather heavy. #80 normally was South
traffic only.
5.
The map in the book is artistic rather than functional. Galesburg
to Savanna ran via Alpha, Barstow, Hillsdale, Denrock, Fenton.
>From Davenport to Clinton CB&Q and CMStP&P had joint ownership of
the DRI&NW. A single local ran up to Clinton where there was a
yard job and, for that matter, still is today. CB&Q did not have
any trackage North of Clinton and could not cross the river there.
Long complicated story, see Overton's book. Should be required
reading before anyone goes to the books with the nice pictures.
Clinton to Dubuque was Perkin's downfall with the CB&Q, why he
was dumped by Forbes, along with a couple of guys on the Board
of Directors. They were involved in a scam, read the book.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: thommack
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August, 2005 17:29
Subject: [CBQ] Denrock Sub and around the horn - Part 2
Thanks everyone for the info. Let me see if I have this straight (I'm
going from Spoor Vol. 4 and the Operating Data Sheets and the replies
to my first post):
1. There was still a line from Earlville to Sterling, and trains 639
and 640 operated this branch. Nothing about any trains continuing from
there to Denrock in the Data Sheets. Makes sense since according to
Steve Holding's post, out of Sterling you had to go over the C&NW
Sterling to Agnew line to get back to Q rails. But the map in Spoor's
Vol. 4 shows the line continuing on through to Denrock. Why? Did the Q
at one time have a line that they abandoned in favor of trackage
rights over the C&NW?
2. Trains used the route from Denrock through Prophetstown, Walnut,
and Ohio to get to Medota, then up to Chicago on the Galesburg to
Chicago main. Other than locals 589 and 590, and the iron ore/taconite
and potash extras, did any other through freights use this line?
Doesn't seem like it was very busy, more or less an alternative to get
Savanna to Chicago. But it would also seem there may have been a fair
amount of industry along the line for it to have its own wayfreight.
3. Following along with points 1 and 2, interstingly out of Denrock
locals 589 and 590 headed southwest down to Barstow. On the map in
Spoor Vol. 4 this appears to be the continuation of the line from
Earlville to Rock Falls to Sterling to Denrock. So back to point 1 and
what became of the line between Sterling and Denrock?
4. Per Russ's post, train 88 went this way, but the Data Sheets don't
list it. What was its origin/destination? And Russ, did you mean in
your post that since 82 was the "Hot Train" from TC to Chicago it went
from Savanna along the North route through Oregon, IL?
5. Why do the Data Sheets show 89 and 156 between Savanna and
Galesburg going through Barstow and Denrock? According to the map in
Spoor Vol. 4 there was a shorter Q line through Iowa between Fulton
and Moline that went on the West side of the Mississippi through
Clinton, Bettendorf, Davenport, and Rock Island. Was this line not in
use in 1967/68?
Thanks for all the help. I'm asking a lot but learning a lot!
Tom Mack
Cincinnati, OH
P.S. This has to do with plans for further layout expansion and some
exciting ideas.
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