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Re: [BRHSlist] X/O Speed

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Subject: Re: [BRHSlist] X/O Speed
From: amtrak347@a...
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:58:38 EDT
My comment in reference to the 50 MPH crossover speed limit deals with 
"contemporary" railroading versus "the good old days", 46-53 or more years 
ago. Electric-straight air equipped diesel-powered passenger trains were 
"special", experimental and short-lived trains. Brad, what were the P/F 
crossover speed limits at the locations named in your LaCrosse Division TT 
for normal trains?
I remember talking with several "old timers" and Karl, about the "Northerns" 
equipped with electric straight air. Then, as now, when an engineer applied 
the train brakes, air exhausted (made noise) in the cab of the locomotive. 
With electric straight air, there was no "exhaust" aka "noise" in the cab, as 
brakes were applied "electrically" on each car. Trainline pressure was not 
reduced to apply the brakes as with the typical brake system. Locomotive air 
gauges would not register a reduction in ER and BP pressures in the 
"electric" braking mode, except for an increase in BC pressure, which in 
almost all cases, was "bailed" or "actuated" off to keep the train slack 
stretched. Most "old head" engineers made their brake applications "by ear", 
with less reliance on their air gauges. Factor in the "electric mode" with 
no noise and no gauge movement and immediately the engineer assumes "a 
braking system failure" and switches his brake system (24RL on the E-units) 
to standard automatic braking and opening the "electric air" circuit breaker. 
Upon arrival at the terminal, the Mechanical Dept. would spend hours on end 
trying to determine the reason for the failure reported by the engineer. 
"Down-time" on this equipment brought about its demise. The purpose of 
electric straight air was to give the engineer better control of his train 
with a faster, uniform application and release of the train brakes throughout 
the length of the train that was associated with high speed passenger trains 
at the time. I believe, as time wore on, the "engineer" problem was solved, 
but the specialized control valves, cables and the like, began to show their 
age and "true" failures of the system occurred. I found it interesting to 
read that the Southern Pacific was an early developer of an improved braking 
system for their "Daylight" passenger trains back in the 30's, where they 
devised a system (HS-8?) that applied the brakes from the rear of the train 
and braking advanced, serially, towards the front for better control of 
slack. The "Q's" E-units had a two-position lever on the side of the 24RL 
brake stand that switched the braking system from either SA (straight air) 
for use on commuter trains, to AU (automatic air) for conventional braking. 
Conventional automatic air braking was required in suburban service, when 
there was more than one unit powering the train (Karl, remember the "Rosie" 
Greer story?). The only drawback to conventional air braking on the 24RL 
equipped "Q" units was that they lacked a "pressure maintaining" feature in 
the "lap" brake handle position. The GN and NP passenger "F's" did have this 
feature (trying to find the cut-out cock for it, was another story!) but 
trying to figure out in what brake handle position (either first service or 
lap) the "feature" worked in was a chore as each loco varied from one to the 
next. Suburban straight air lasted 'til the MK rebuilding in '73(?) when the 
24RL brake schedule was replaced the WABCO PS-68 schedule which was an 
electrically "assisted" brake system (it left a lot to be desired!).
Excuse the length of this post. I was thinking of throwing in my "two-cents" 
worth about Mars lights, but I'll pass for the night.

Bob Campbell

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